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hodj

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You absolutely do. You can't live in America without supporting at least 10 shitty greedy corporations.
Citation required. I personally power my computer (which I built from scratch with tools I made by hand) with a bicycle and grow my own organic vegetables. I also only buy chocolate from fair trade vendors. It costs 5 dollars a bar, but its worth it for the Yanomami children in Venezuela.

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There won't ever be such a thing as a "good Kinect game" for the vast majority of the console audience.
Kinect porn - it will bring life into the device. Now you can virtually fuck your way into a good time!
 

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It's commonly known it's how they make money these days, so I don't really see it as a conspiracy theory (even Gaige gets it, judging from his post above). All these companies can get away this as long as they don't tie the information personally to a person, and instead they can tie the information to demographics.

You can read thru theirpolicies, which basically states they will sell consumer behavior info.
It's basically known that the Kinect is uploading information on what you eat to MS? Care to link that?

That website you linked isn't loading for me. I am guessing it says they will sell any consumer behavior info and leaves it at that. Does it outline that it will take pictures of everything in your house? That it will watch what you eat?

They will upload what games you play and how long you play them. That is for sure. So does Sony, so does Steam. What else are they uploading? If it's outlined in that page you linked please quote it because I can't get it to load.
 

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http://venturebeat.com/2013/05/22/mi...do-video-demo/

Microsoft's new Kinect motion-sensing system for the Xbox One game console is so good that it's creepy. Using its sensors, the Kinect can detect your heartbeat, simply by perceiving the pulsing of your skin.

That's one of the cool - and scary - technologies that Microsoft's new Xbox One, announced yesterday at a press event I attended in Redmond, Wash., can do. It is one of things that could move Kinect from a novelty to a necessary part of next-generation gaming and entertainment. It's no longer a science project. Welcome to the age when your game console - and Microsoft - knows if you've been bad or good. It knows more about you than you know about you.

Games can use it to process physical feedback from you, increasing or decreasing the difficulty as needed. And you can use Kinect's gesture and voice commands to control TV functions and navigate menus.

The new Kinect is a superbly upgraded version compared to the original Kinect launched in 2010. That system couldn't detect a lot of things like your finger movements, and it was limited to viewing movements about 10 feet away or so.The new Kinect is accurate down to millimeter measurements, said Scott Evans (pictured at top), group product manager for Kinect.

The new Kinect has a 60 percent wider field of view so it can see most of a room. Kinect can now detect six skeletons, compared to two before. That means as many as six players can participate in a game at the same time. Phil Harrison, corporate vice president at Microsoft, said in an interview with GamesBeat that it is up to developers as to what they do with such technology.

The new system also has a color high-definition camera that can capture your image in a recording for Skype calls. The ultra-wide angle allowed it to pick up a bunch of people sitting in a faux living room that I visited in a lab on Microsoft's campus on Tuesday.
"Xbox One demonstrations were impressive, particularly the improvements to Kinect for greater detail and higher sensitivity that have potential to add to the hardcore game experience," said Billy Pidgeon, a longtime industry analyst.

And Kinect can see you in the dark because it has an infrared sensor that detects things alongside the primary camera. While Kinect previously relied on the system's main processing chips, the new Kinect has its own dedicated silicon. Those custom chips (located in the Xbox One) handle audio processing for better voice recognition and image processing for visuals.

In the past, Kinect used "structured light," or dots of light, to detect motion in a room. The new technology uses "time of flight," or sending out light and detecting how long it takes for it to bounce back to the source.

Now Kinect has enough fidelity to correctly model your skeleton, capturing details such as whether your limbs are rotated. It can see how many fingers you are holding up and whether you are smiling or not. I stood in front of it and could clearly see from the image map that Kinect could see that my thumb was pointing up. You can see the shrug of the shoulders and other subtle movements that can be interpreted into responses to game situations.

The physics of your body is also recorded. Kinect sees which muscles you are using and how much pressure you are putting on them. If you jump, for instance, the muscle map of your body shows the parts that are stressed - your legs - in bright red, while the parts that aren't show up in green. If you move your hand forward, Kinect can detect how much force you are using. If you punch forward at the camera, a big white circle shows up on the image map, indicating you are using a lot of force.

All of this data could overwhelm a lesser system. But Kinect is designed to capture several times more data in an area that is several times larger than before. It then sends that data to the Xbox One for game developers to interpret and use in their games.

The audio system still has four microphones with echo cancellation. The technology is directional. That means that it knows who is speaking in a room and it filters out other noises so that it can focus on what the speaker is saying. That makes it much better and faster at recognizing speech commands. If you are not looking at the screen, it will not register a command from you.

One of the coolest things is that it knows if you give the controller to somebody sitting next to you. Kinect will then record that person as the player, making a switch that would otherwise befuddle any other game system.
Six of us got in front of the camera and we were all moving about. The Kinect muscle maps showed accurately what every one of us was doing, with no delays in putting the imagery on the screen.

The heartbeat demo was the coolest feature, but it was just one measurement that Kinect could do that showed it could really understand what I, the gamer, wanted to do. Another demo showed how the force-feedback technology on the game controllers that you hold in your hand could also deliver the feeling of a heart beating. Between Kinect and the force-feedback controller, the possibilities for pulse-pounding, intense games seem very exciting.

presumably all this data is being recorded and sent to Microsoft, when you consider their own statements to shareholders that they'll be able to tell people's excitement levels and what types of jersey's they're wearing, etc.

Shit's only going to get more powerful in the future too.
 

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So awesome. I can't wait. Think of the awesome entertainment experiences they'll be able to make with that sort of information.
 

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I don't disagree but MS won't get good Kinect games unless they do this. Total chicken or the egg scenario. I hate the Kinect myself but that is why MS has to do this if they are going to continue pursuing the Kinect.
MS forcing Kinect on us has nothing to do with games. It is all about pushing their media center features on you (which they mistakenly thought would win them this generation) and about the money they will make from having the most sophisticated data about their users.

No third parties are going to push out amazing Kinect games since Sony doesn't have it. The only games will have to come from 1st party and MS can fund those games regardless of the Kinect being mandatory.
 

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The Kinect *could* provide some really nice features from it's capabilities, but the negatives will more than likely far outweigh the positives. I wouldn't mind a device that can see that I have a big Chiefs poster on the wall, so everytime I start up a game of Madden it defaults me to the Chiefs as my team selection first, or that it hears me listening to a certain band so the next time I'm browsing Youtube on the Xbox it recommends videos from that band for me, without having to search for them. Or it could see that I'm wearing a Royals jersey as I sit on my couch playing a game, and give me some score updates of the game they are playing on the screen while I game. Stuff like that would be nice little perks, but having the ability to do fun stuff like that also means you can do much more intrusive things, which I'm not too excited about.
 

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So awesome. I can't wait. Think of the awesome entertainment experiences they'll be able to make with that sort of information.
Yeah man I can't wait to buy amazing first party titles like Microsoft's (tm) Extreme Kinect Sports Live (Now with Facebook integration!) where you get to exercise with your girlfriends through the power of the internet!

You really enjoy taking a long deep dive down the retarded rabbit hole, don't you? Its not a positive overall.
 

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Reading the comments on this story from The Verge just made me lose hope in humanity.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/19/44...rom-the-future

Further proof that Twitter and Reddit are destroying the world. We just saw a beautiful digital download future where finished games could be resold/given to friends and entire game libraries could be shared across the country sacrificed at the alter of physical media. Can't even understand why anyone would buy digital downloads now that they have no ability to be shared or resold like disc copies. And even people buying discs lose because now they have to swap discs every time they want to play a game.

Everyone except people without internet access lost today. And even they will eventually realize they lost when they realize all new AAA games are being built as persistent online games.

We've all just gone backwards to a 1980's business model.
Probably 80% of comments are like this, with the others being overwhelmed in trying to tell people how god damn stupid they are.
 

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Lol at whoever claimed Kinect sending advertising information is the same thing as poisoning a water supply.
 

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Like Google already does? If there is going to be advertising on Xbox Live I'd rather it be shit I'm interested in/might actually purchase. I have no problem with the Kinect being in my house becauseI have nothing to hideand I don't give a fuck if it scans my living room and shows me advertisements for beanbags that match my sectional.
We know your posting history. We know this is a lie.
 

hodj

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Lol at whoever claimed Kinect sending advertising information is the same thing as poisoning a water supply.
That's not what was said.

The argument was a reduction to absurdity meant to show the oblivious nature of the argument Gaige was presenting at the time, which was essentially "As long as a company doesn't hold a gun to your head and make you do it, what's the harm?"