The Big Bad Console Thread - Sway your Station with an Xboner !

When your family member accesses any of your games, they're placed into a special demo mode. This demo mode in most cases would be the full game with a 15-45 minute timer and in some cases an hour.

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Juvarisx_sl said:

I am glad that person (at least) still cant figure out that used games are only a problem if your game is a steaming pile of shit. I know I won't be turning in my copies of Last of Us or Bio Shock Infinite because they are a) great games b) something I would replay and c) worth rewarding the developer in $$$. Maybe I am a minority I have no idea.

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Microsoft might be a big company, but we at the Xbox division havealways been for the gamer. Everything we've done has always been for them, we have butt heads with the executives many times on what we've wanted to, some times we lost (removing the onboard processor from Kinect 1.0) and other times we've won (keeping Gears of War as an exclusive).

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After the news hit of Microsoft's flip on their online and used game policies, I emailed Fish to see if he had changed his mind.

"Nah," he wrote, "I don't think it changes much for me. They didn't change anything about their anti-indie policies."

On the other hand, Fish seems quite taken with the PlayStation 4.

"PS4 seems to be doing everything right," he wrote, when asked about the console. "It's too early to tell how everything is going to unfold but their heart definitely seems to be in the right place. Which is a weird thing to say when talking about giant monolithic corporation, but there's a handful of people working at Sony today who are really trying to do some good. And whether or not I would develop for it comes down to how the platform holder treats me. With Microsoft they've made it painfully clear they don't want my ilk on their platform.I can't even self-publish there. Whereas on PS4, I can. It's that simple.Microsoft won't let me develop for their console. But Sony will."

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Lithose_sl said:

Whilepublishershave never come right out to us at MS and say "We want you to do something about used gaming" we could hear it in their voices and read it in their numerous public statements.The used gaming industry is slowly killing themand every attempt to slow down the bleeding was met with much resistance from the gaming community.

Many will argue the development system is broken, and I disagree. The development system is near broken, it's used gaming that is broken, but regardless I think more emphasis on this from both us at Microsoft andpublishers would have gone a long way in helpingeducate the gamer, but again it is us who dropped the ball in this regard for that we're sorry.

Fucking hell, this company is so detached. The used gaming market is NOT killing the people who make games, you fucking baboons. It's killing the middlemen who want to charge for a distribution network that is not needed anymore. Publishers are like the god damn Ice Delivery man in the age of refrigerators--you assholes attempting to keep them alive is what's hurting everyone.

PS4 sees the future--they are going to let publishers die, and they are streamlining the process of delivery for Indi developers. That process WILL eventually be used by bigger studios who can get capital directly from banks because they can prove they have access to a large market WITHOUT the need of the publishing middleman. PS4 sees this future, where the people who create the game sell it DIRECTLY to the people who wish to play it--and all PS4 does it collect a little tax for being the market place. They see that this type of system will strengthen the overall market with actual PRODUCT by making it more efficient for the people who make games to make money.

In the end, CONSUMERS win from PS4's indi policies because more games will be made, because the barrier for entry and the barrier for sustainability (Without having to pay back publishers) will be far, far---far fucking lower. If this guy could get the publisher's cock out of his mouth for a moment and actually think about the DEVELOPER and CONSUMER he'd see that--but it's obvious in his post all he cares about is maintaining the current system with his friends in the publishing business.

This "sad" post shows how god damn delusional and insulated this company has become. They've literally made their money embracing the future--and now they want to attempt to defend relics of the past with their bullshit? WE didn't want to stay in the past, these assholes did--they just wanted to dress it up with MS benefits and pretend it was the future.

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Breakarms_sl said:

Oh MS is so damn worried that publishers are crying? Give me a break, this industry is so lopsided in the publishers favor it's a joke. Music industry redux with the label company reaping 99% of the rewards and the artist relatively nothing. How many good development houses have gone under while the publisher got to survive?

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Laedrun_sl said:

The publishers could kill the used games market tomorrow if the drm packed digital download version cost $15-$20 dollars less than the physical disc on day one of the games release. Hell, I'd buy more games than i already do if that were the case, I'd like to play "Last of us" but I'm not paying $60 for a single player story game that I'll play a week at most. The only games I'll pay $60 for are COD and Forza because I can play that shit for a year without getting bored. If the DRM internet check version of Last of us was $39 instead of the full $59 retail price I'd be playing that shit right now, while laughing at gamestop stock value dropping. The publishers wanted to kill used games without paying the consumers the difference, no dice.

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MSDUDE_sl said:

First is family sharing, this feature is near and dear to me and I truly felt it would have helped the industry grow and make both gamers and developers happy. The premise is simple and elegant, when you buy your games for Xbox One, you can set any of them to be part of your shared library. Anyone who you deem to be family had access to these games regardless of where they are in the world. There was never any catch to that, they didn't have to share the same billing address or physical address it could be anyone.When your family member accesses any of your games, they're placed into a special demo mode. This demo mode in most cases would be the full game with a 15-45 minute timer and in some cases an hour. This allowed the person to play the game, get familiar with it then make a purchase if they wanted to. When the time limit was up they would automatically be prompted to the Marketplace so that they may order it if liked the game.We were toying around with a limit on the number of times members could access the shared game (as to discourage gamers from simply beating the game by doing multiple playthroughs). but we had not settled on an appropriate way of handling it. One thing we knew is that we wanted the experience to be seamless for both the person sharing and the family member benefiting. There weren't many models of this system already in the wild other than Sony's horrendous game sharing implementation, but it was clear their approach (if one could call it that) was not the way to go. Developers complained about the lost sales and gamers complained about overbearing DRM that punished those who didn't share that implemented by publishers to quell gamers from taking advantage of a poorly thought out system. We wanted our family sharing plan to be something that was talked about and genuinely enjoyed by the masses as a way of inciting gamers to try new games.

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