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So I casually walk into their towns and they give me rewards? What kind of enemy is that?You get to go to their lands and do their quests!
So I casually walk into their towns and they give me rewards? What kind of enemy is that?You get to go to their lands and do their quests!
Retarded?So I casually walk into their towns and they give me rewards? What kind of enemy is that?
If I was gay I would have your babies with that post. (Not trolling) Do you know how many times we all see this? I am cynical because of things I hear, but the first thing when I see the "Game starts at this"? I see someone trying to get people to sub up for a couple months, get to the point where they think it gets fun, and ... plummet back down to reality knowing they just got had. A game should be fun from the get go. It shouldn't ever take "level to 50 to see the real awesome parts". Because if it is designed that way, it's a failure.And when someone says "oh you just need to play into the mid game or late game" people blast them with "game should be fun from the get go" or "I shouldn't have to wait to x level to have fun".
It's very interesting watching the flow and give of this forum.
Yes, it is. I have also said this since last year.Is this straight from your "inside" sources?
I have no clue, but it is kinda funny. I'm not sure if you are actually doing the other factions quest(ie exact same) or since you are in a separate zone from that actual factions questers, if you get your faction NPCs giving their own unique quest just in the "Enemies" part of the world. If it's the former then its very dumb and really makes no sense for a game with 3 factions at "War". I could see the latter working if the story somehow equates to your side has won so you conquered their lands and now you have taken over and your own side gives you quest to do in the now conquered lands.So I casually walk into their towns and they give me rewards? What kind of enemy is that?
Isn't it great? You weren't here for the last 12 years, so maybe you should read this post again. Also, I know you took a few sociology classes according to some of your really ridiculous posts on the old Rift forums, but the internet isn't your own sociology experiment. Unless you are Raph Koster.Has any person in the entire history of the MMO genre ever has as many "inside" source as Utnayan?
Now that he has resurfaced after a couple of days lying low, I wonder if I should repost those two links he avoided commenting on?
Welcome to the forums Rescorla. You won't last long here.Has he ever said it won't sell? I can't recall that.
As someone else just stated in this thread, his anger is towards the developers (certain ones), and how they have made the game and continue to market it. He has said that the paid model will not work with what the have managed to develop, it is not good enough, which you seemingly agree with.
Just because the game sells well does not mean he is wrong. It will sell on name alone, that is his very point. That the developers seemingly know the brand name will sell, but have not developed something that lives up to the name.
He is further angered by him supposedly knowing that they they are selling this as a box sale, subscription mmo, when they already have fully intended to turn it into a F2P mmo fairly quickly. He also thinks their marketing is very anti consumer, and that they are going so far as having paid people on forums to crack down on negativity.
He will be right about it going F2P. He is right about it not living up to the Elder Scrolls name in many ways. He can also be right about it hurting the Elder Scrolls name by introducing many people to the series with a game that is missing much of what the series stand for. Sort of a Skyrim lite. It still sells, so next game might be developed with an attitude of "hey they are satisfied with less, so we don't really have to stretch for the moon on making the next one". Though hopefully the next single player Elder Scrolls benchmarks itself to Skyrim, not TESO.
We will never know if he is right about the other stuff, as they are internal. We don't know what internal plans they have for F2P or not as the actual developers will never officially reveal that info, so we are left with believing or not believing statements such as "I know X developers of the team and I know they have done this". But that is hearsay, and will never be facts as developers won't risk their jobs confirming negative work situations.
If he is right about his conspiracy about the posters here I don't know. However, I do know that Ut is a poster who doesn't have the usual negativity that is easy to respond to like "wow clone!" or "x feature sucks!". He talks about specifically named developers, teams and the internal struggles as well as intricate coding issues due to engines. Ut usually goes after things that are specific enough to be facts, not features that come down to opinion if they should be there or not. So responding to him against an argument he is making isn't just a statement of having a different opinion, but about him being outright wrong. Usually not the things you respond much too as the detail is above most peoples heads/care, and responses like "well I like the game! it will sell!" doesn't have anything to do with what he is saying.
Not the subjects that usually gets people to crawl out of the woodwork to respond to unlike a discussion on a feature like death penalties or quest hubs which people usually have strong opinions about and is easy to say "this what I like and this is best!". I remember that well from Vanguard. He posted a lot about that too. Said it would fail, but not due to gameplay features, which I could respond to, but about developers and engine problems I have no knowledge of. I could just hope he was wrong, which sadly he wasn't. Continuously trying to counter his arguments seem strange to me considering his issues are usually with behind the scenes stuff.
Only thing I think that is left that he could be directly wrong about is in regards to the statements of the engine and what it can or can't do. If some things will be broken in the game without it being fixable due to what he thinks they did with the Hero engine. We will know that at release I guess (or when NDA drops).
So far though
- Not showing all content
- No plan of open beta
- Long NDA
- Pushing pre-orders like crazy
Have to be fairly new to the mmo game or gaming in general to not believe that they indeed are milking pre-orders for initial sales, holding back info because they know it would drop pre-order sales, not gain them.
I am not writing this to defend Ut. I have no idea if he is right or not. However, looking at the past (games that previously have done what TESO is now doing), I am more than jaded enough to think that Ut is more right than wrong.
Technically, neither were you. You were banned for going apeshit and ruining threads and chasing away actual insiders in our last forums, which I joined in 2002.Isn't it great? You weren't here for the last 12 years, so maybe you should read this post again. .
You are wrong. I was banned because I was in the midst of calling out Requiems bullshit. And when they tried to reinstate me, including that bat shit insane blonde chick who fucked Alex, were stopped by him and him alone. And we all saw how that played out.Technically, neither were you. You were banned for going apeshit and ruining threads and chasing away actual insiders in our last forums, which I joined in 2002.
And before I get called out for some real name garbage, I was told that's not her real last name. So it doesn't apply here. I *****'d it out just to make sure.Lori *******
To Utnayan Bonewalker
Jun 29, 2010
Hey.
You called out Requiem for some shit. Not sure how you knew that but nothing I can do to get you unbanned. He has a business to protect."
You artfully miss the point, guy. Nobody is saying that the game isn't fun early. It's a MMO. It depends upon how you play it. You know, like every other MMO ever. The point that you're missing is that people play atutorialand then judge the entire game based on their experience learning how to press 'w' and left click.It shouldn't ever take "level to 50 to see the real awesome parts". Because if it is designed that way, it's a failure.
This game has neither. The end game is PvP. People are excited for it. If they can bypass the combat mechanics, which suck, then good for them. They have nothing else to look forward to, and the end result is seeing people play this with some folks for a couple weeks. Fine. We all get that. Publishers and dickheads like Firor capitalize on it. They already dropped the entrance to "the end game" to level fucking 5. Why? They wouldn't undue that gate unless they knew the PvE sucked and had horrible feedback. They did one thing right. Something that will allow people to play the game passed about 5 hours. If they dropped it to level one, I would love to see how many people last 5 levels before they get to the PvP. Which will keep them attracted for about 2-3 weeks and then falter off.Either it's bad because some stuff is held back for later levels when it should be fun from the beginning or it's bad because it doesn't have an endgame.
Absolutely. I'll be playing for at least a few months. A few others have noted they will be playing. Tuco and PRX will be busy ruling the galaxy, but I'll probably be playing and looking for groups a few nights a week.Any chance of a guild for filthy casual types ? I expect there to be a hardcore guild, and nothing wrong with that , just wondering if there's enough parents/two job working etc etc folks that still want to hook up when possible ?
The low and mid game are PvP too, and there's a PvE endgame. You've had that pointed out multiple times, so about that pattern of ignoring details...This game has neither. The end game is PvP. People are excited for it.
All you've said here is that you don't like the game and hope people cheat. Good for you. Play something else then.If they can bypass the combat mechanics, which suck, then good for them.
Now you're making a prediction based on a falsehood that you know is wrong. Again, it has been pointed out to you many times.They have nothing else to look forward to, and the end result is seeing people play this with some folks for a couple weeks.
No sir, that's only in your head. You compose the entirety of "we all".Fine. We all get that.
So now on top of making things up to criticize the game, you're calling the developers names to support your fiction? Really?Publishers and dickheads like Firor capitalize on it.
I don't even know what you're talking about. You called the "end game" PvP. The entry is level 10. And again, that's not all there is to the end game. You're conveniently ignoring Adventure Zones, veteran dungeons, alliance zones running from level 17 to 50, the main quest, the endgame in guild progression (Mages guild, Fighters, Undaunted, soon Thieves, and Dark Brotherhood). Going the "no content" or "too little content" route to criticize ESO makes no sense because if you actually knew anything about the game, you'd do a 180 and say there's too much content and no way they can balance it all.They already dropped the entrance to "the end game" to level fucking 5.
So now you're answering your own rhetorical question to theorycraft about something you made up. Classy strategy.Why? They wouldn't undue that gate unless they knew the PvE sucked and had horrible feedback.
"They did one thing right." -- and then you don't complete your thought by following it up with an "if". And it's an "if" that would worsen something you made up to criticize them.They did one thing right. Something that will allow people to play the game passed about 5 hours. If they dropped it to level one, I would love to see how many people last 5 levels before they get to the PvP. Which will keep them attracted for about 2-3 weeks and then falter off.
Absolutely. I'll be playing for at least a few months. A few others have noted they will be playing. Tuco and PRX will be busy ruling the galaxy, but I'll probably be playing and looking for groups a few nights a week.
I do know groups were pretty easy to get in beta, and I think they'll be easy initially for the game. I'd really like to get a steady few night a week 3 or 4 people for a lot of the group content. I will be doing some crafting as the system looks rewarding also, but not exactly sure what.
Cool , my usual playtime will be 10PM ish cst on ,during week once kids and wife in bed , when game first launches I always try and play a good bit as usual. I'd enjoy both some PVE grouping but will admit PVP will draw me a good bit to it (hopefully anyway ).Count me in on the filthy casual guild also. Im sure UT will be in as well.
We can be on the frontlines of tucos guild, the fodder.
Do you even read this forum?Nobody is saying that the game isn't fun early.
6. The starting area was utter unfinished stupid crap.
1 the startup feel's so much like dcuo. I hate having to wade through it time after time when i have completed it already. They need a option to by pass it.
I only lasted 20 minutes this time. Just can not bring myself to play this. It is such a completely boring piece of shit.
I honestly can't even make it out of the starter island. Nothing about this interests me.
I don't mean to egregiously repeat myself but I found the tutorial/Coldharbor terrible the first time through, and a really poor introduction to the game.
So while the starter areas are boring as fuck you do have some limited freedom.
ii) For me they would have to scrap the starting areas totally and start from scratch. Trying to get through the starting areas to see if the game is worth playing is like being forced through a meat grinder. Painful, generic, uninspiring, not fun.