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Utnayan

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And when someone says "oh you just need to play into the mid game or late game" people blast them with "game should be fun from the get go" or "I shouldn't have to wait to x level to have fun".

It's very interesting watching the flow and give of this forum.
If I was gay I would have your babies with that post. (Not trolling) Do you know how many times we all see this? I am cynical because of things I hear, but the first thing when I see the "Game starts at this"? I see someone trying to get people to sub up for a couple months, get to the point where they think it gets fun, and ... plummet back down to reality knowing they just got had. A game should be fun from the get go. It shouldn't ever take "level to 50 to see the real awesome parts". Because if it is designed that way, it's a failure.
 

Cinge

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So I casually walk into their towns and they give me rewards? What kind of enemy is that?
I have no clue, but it is kinda funny. I'm not sure if you are actually doing the other factions quest(ie exact same) or since you are in a separate zone from that actual factions questers, if you get your faction NPCs giving their own unique quest just in the "Enemies" part of the world. If it's the former then its very dumb and really makes no sense for a game with 3 factions at "War". I could see the latter working if the story somehow equates to your side has won so you conquered their lands and now you have taken over and your own side gives you quest to do in the now conquered lands.
 

Utnayan

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Has any person in the entire history of the MMO genre ever has as many "inside" source as Utnayan?

Now that he has resurfaced after a couple of days lying low, I wonder if I should repost those two links he avoided commenting on?
Isn't it great? You weren't here for the last 12 years, so maybe you should read this post again. Also, I know you took a few sociology classes according to some of your really ridiculous posts on the old Rift forums, but the internet isn't your own sociology experiment. Unless you are Raph Koster.

Has he ever said it won't sell? I can't recall that.

As someone else just stated in this thread, his anger is towards the developers (certain ones), and how they have made the game and continue to market it. He has said that the paid model will not work with what the have managed to develop, it is not good enough, which you seemingly agree with.

Just because the game sells well does not mean he is wrong. It will sell on name alone, that is his very point. That the developers seemingly know the brand name will sell, but have not developed something that lives up to the name.

He is further angered by him supposedly knowing that they they are selling this as a box sale, subscription mmo, when they already have fully intended to turn it into a F2P mmo fairly quickly. He also thinks their marketing is very anti consumer, and that they are going so far as having paid people on forums to crack down on negativity.

He will be right about it going F2P. He is right about it not living up to the Elder Scrolls name in many ways. He can also be right about it hurting the Elder Scrolls name by introducing many people to the series with a game that is missing much of what the series stand for. Sort of a Skyrim lite. It still sells, so next game might be developed with an attitude of "hey they are satisfied with less, so we don't really have to stretch for the moon on making the next one". Though hopefully the next single player Elder Scrolls benchmarks itself to Skyrim, not TESO.

We will never know if he is right about the other stuff, as they are internal. We don't know what internal plans they have for F2P or not as the actual developers will never officially reveal that info, so we are left with believing or not believing statements such as "I know X developers of the team and I know they have done this". But that is hearsay, and will never be facts as developers won't risk their jobs confirming negative work situations.

If he is right about his conspiracy about the posters here I don't know. However, I do know that Ut is a poster who doesn't have the usual negativity that is easy to respond to like "wow clone!" or "x feature sucks!". He talks about specifically named developers, teams and the internal struggles as well as intricate coding issues due to engines. Ut usually goes after things that are specific enough to be facts, not features that come down to opinion if they should be there or not. So responding to him against an argument he is making isn't just a statement of having a different opinion, but about him being outright wrong. Usually not the things you respond much too as the detail is above most peoples heads/care, and responses like "well I like the game! it will sell!" doesn't have anything to do with what he is saying.

Not the subjects that usually gets people to crawl out of the woodwork to respond to unlike a discussion on a feature like death penalties or quest hubs which people usually have strong opinions about and is easy to say "this what I like and this is best!". I remember that well from Vanguard. He posted a lot about that too. Said it would fail, but not due to gameplay features, which I could respond to, but about developers and engine problems I have no knowledge of. I could just hope he was wrong, which sadly he wasn't. Continuously trying to counter his arguments seem strange to me considering his issues are usually with behind the scenes stuff.

Only thing I think that is left that he could be directly wrong about is in regards to the statements of the engine and what it can or can't do. If some things will be broken in the game without it being fixable due to what he thinks they did with the Hero engine. We will know that at release I guess (or when NDA drops).

So far though
- Not showing all content
- No plan of open beta
- Long NDA
- Pushing pre-orders like crazy

Have to be fairly new to the mmo game or gaming in general to not believe that they indeed are milking pre-orders for initial sales, holding back info because they know it would drop pre-order sales, not gain them.

I am not writing this to defend Ut. I have no idea if he is right or not. However, looking at the past (games that previously have done what TESO is now doing), I am more than jaded enough to think that Ut is more right than wrong.
Welcome to the forums Rescorla. You won't last long here.

And even though you think you are posting to a whim or two from the replies you get, I know those posters. Khalid hates my guts and everything I post about. I still value Khalid. Because he is here, and has been here, and you are a never has been. When Khalid rips on me, I rip back, and regardless, I even respect what he says (Regardless that I know he is wrong) because he still has the respect from me to read it because he has been through the shitstorm of our little community for the long haul. So has Cinge, Jooka, and all the others. Some troll it to see what kind of entertainment they can get, others are sincere. Either way, they belong here, and have been here for as long as I can remember.

You, however, and some of your other 2014 cronies, have not. Miracously some of your little buddies happened to show up after the NDA was dropped, where you ripped on me for the NDA dropping, but yet, didn't dropfor the high level game of which you still cannot speak about. And hide behind. And ZO still bans those youtube videos.

What I am trying to say here is I end up pissing off Tuco, I'll piss of Draegan, they will put me in the corner like Willie in Little House on the Prairie on a meth bender, and I will get ripped on by some people from time to time... I'll embrace those. Because they know my posting style, they know I am over the top, they know I definitely come across as an ego maniac when I post... But... they embrace me as much as I embrace them.

You, the little shill that could.... And it takes more than a few sociology degrees and twisting words around to make that change here. It's time for you to go back to the MMORPG forums. Because no matter how much I rip on a few folks, they are still awesome people that have been here for the long haul. And you, are the turd in the wind thinking you will fly by the night and shank someone like me, is a moral internet victory and a challenge. Go back to dungeon crawling in Everquest. I hear it's the bees knees. And just like TESO from your great comments. Where all of us who have played it know you are full of marketing bullshit spin and conjecture. Like the very same first post you laid here when you registered.

Tuco, light these fuckers up in the game with PRX.
 

Gecko_sl

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Isn't it great? You weren't here for the last 12 years, so maybe you should read this post again. .
Technically, neither were you. You were banned for going apeshit and ruining threads and chasing away actual insiders in our last forums, which I joined in 2002.

On a side note, an open PVP server sounds intriguing but I'm not sure it'd work with their current configuration. It'd make Andred look like a playground. I am concerned with the long term viability of PVP. I'm not sure how long it'll hold my attention.
 

Utnayan

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Technically, neither were you. You were banned for going apeshit and ruining threads and chasing away actual insiders in our last forums, which I joined in 2002.
You are wrong. I was banned because I was in the midst of calling out Requiems bullshit. And when they tried to reinstate me, including that bat shit insane blonde chick who fucked Alex, were stopped by him and him alone. And we all saw how that played out.

The day people are banned for exposing the shit we should all know about, is the day rerolled is admin'd by Putin.

Get your facts straight. I have some emails I could share with you, if you would like to see?

Lori *******
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Hey.

You called out Requiem for some shit. Not sure how you knew that but nothing I can do to get you unbanned. He has a business to protect."
And before I get called out for some real name garbage, I was told that's not her real last name. So it doesn't apply here. I *****'d it out just to make sure.

Either way, Gecko, you just don't worry your little head about it. No one is full of shit except the 2014's that have invaded this forum. Not even you.
 

signati_sl

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It shouldn't ever take "level to 50 to see the real awesome parts". Because if it is designed that way, it's a failure.
You artfully miss the point, guy. Nobody is saying that the game isn't fun early. It's a MMO. It depends upon how you play it. You know, like every other MMO ever. The point that you're missing is that people play atutorialand then judge the entire game based on their experience learning how to press 'w' and left click.

Further, what MMO has ever allowed access to all content since level 1? You're creating a false dichotomy to shitpost no matter what is said. Either it's bad because some stuff is held back for later levels when it should be fun from the beginning or it's bad because it doesn't have an endgame. Are you a quantum computer? You can't have a binary both ways.

And when it comes to shills, a great way to spot them is that they never bend. They'll be purely negative to the point of making stuff up or purely positive to the point of ignoring criticism. There absolutely is somebody in this thread who fits that description, but you probably wouldn't appreciate it if I said who.
 

Utnayan

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Either it's bad because some stuff is held back for later levels when it should be fun from the beginning or it's bad because it doesn't have an endgame.
This game has neither. The end game is PvP. People are excited for it. If they can bypass the combat mechanics, which suck, then good for them. They have nothing else to look forward to, and the end result is seeing people play this with some folks for a couple weeks. Fine. We all get that. Publishers and dickheads like Firor capitalize on it. They already dropped the entrance to "the end game" to level fucking 5. Why? They wouldn't undue that gate unless they knew the PvE sucked and had horrible feedback. They did one thing right. Something that will allow people to play the game passed about 5 hours. If they dropped it to level one, I would love to see how many people last 5 levels before they get to the PvP. Which will keep them attracted for about 2-3 weeks and then falter off.
 

Dahkoht_sl

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Any chance of a guild for filthy casual types ? I expect there to be a hardcore guild, and nothing wrong with that , just wondering if there's enough parents/two job working etc etc folks that still want to hook up when possible ?
 

Gecko_sl

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Any chance of a guild for filthy casual types ? I expect there to be a hardcore guild, and nothing wrong with that , just wondering if there's enough parents/two job working etc etc folks that still want to hook up when possible ?
Absolutely. I'll be playing for at least a few months. A few others have noted they will be playing. Tuco and PRX will be busy ruling the galaxy, but I'll probably be playing and looking for groups a few nights a week.

I do know groups were pretty easy to get in beta, and I think they'll be easy initially for the game. I'd really like to get a steady few night a week 3 or 4 people for a lot of the group content. I will be doing some crafting as the system looks rewarding also, but not exactly sure what.
 

signati_sl

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This game has neither. The end game is PvP. People are excited for it.
The low and mid game are PvP too, and there's a PvE endgame. You've had that pointed out multiple times, so about that pattern of ignoring details...

If they can bypass the combat mechanics, which suck, then good for them.
All you've said here is that you don't like the game and hope people cheat. Good for you. Play something else then.

They have nothing else to look forward to, and the end result is seeing people play this with some folks for a couple weeks.
Now you're making a prediction based on a falsehood that you know is wrong. Again, it has been pointed out to you many times.

Fine. We all get that.
No sir, that's only in your head. You compose the entirety of "we all".

Publishers and dickheads like Firor capitalize on it.
So now on top of making things up to criticize the game, you're calling the developers names to support your fiction? Really?

They already dropped the entrance to "the end game" to level fucking 5.
I don't even know what you're talking about. You called the "end game" PvP. The entry is level 10. And again, that's not all there is to the end game. You're conveniently ignoring Adventure Zones, veteran dungeons, alliance zones running from level 17 to 50, the main quest, the endgame in guild progression (Mages guild, Fighters, Undaunted, soon Thieves, and Dark Brotherhood). Going the "no content" or "too little content" route to criticize ESO makes no sense because if you actually knew anything about the game, you'd do a 180 and say there's too much content and no way they can balance it all.

Why? They wouldn't undue that gate unless they knew the PvE sucked and had horrible feedback.
So now you're answering your own rhetorical question to theorycraft about something you made up. Classy strategy.

They did one thing right. Something that will allow people to play the game passed about 5 hours. If they dropped it to level one, I would love to see how many people last 5 levels before they get to the PvP. Which will keep them attracted for about 2-3 weeks and then falter off.
"They did one thing right." -- and then you don't complete your thought by following it up with an "if". And it's an "if" that would worsen something you made up to criticize them.

Come on. If you're trying to criticize the game, then you could do better. If you're trying to troll... Well, you win I guess.
 

mkopec

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Count me in on the filthy casual guild also. Im sure UT will be in as well.

We can be on the frontlines of tucos guild, the fodder.
 

Dahkoht_sl

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Absolutely. I'll be playing for at least a few months. A few others have noted they will be playing. Tuco and PRX will be busy ruling the galaxy, but I'll probably be playing and looking for groups a few nights a week.

I do know groups were pretty easy to get in beta, and I think they'll be easy initially for the game. I'd really like to get a steady few night a week 3 or 4 people for a lot of the group content. I will be doing some crafting as the system looks rewarding also, but not exactly sure what.
Count me in on the filthy casual guild also. Im sure UT will be in as well.

We can be on the frontlines of tucos guild, the fodder.
Cool , my usual playtime will be 10PM ish cst on ,during week once kids and wife in bed , when game first launches I always try and play a good bit as usual. I'd enjoy both some PVE grouping but will admit PVP will draw me a good bit to it (hopefully anyway ).

Of course if Brad needs me I'd have to bail for my apprentice developer position.
 

Xaxius

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Nobody is saying that the game isn't fun early.
Do you even read this forum?

6. The starting area was utter unfinished stupid crap.
1 the startup feel's so much like dcuo. I hate having to wade through it time after time when i have completed it already. They need a option to by pass it.
I only lasted 20 minutes this time. Just can not bring myself to play this. It is such a completely boring piece of shit.
I honestly can't even make it out of the starter island. Nothing about this interests me.
I don't mean to egregiously repeat myself but I found the tutorial/Coldharbor terrible the first time through, and a really poor introduction to the game.
So while the starter areas are boring as fuck you do have some limited freedom.
ii) For me they would have to scrap the starting areas totally and start from scratch. Trying to get through the starting areas to see if the game is worth playing is like being forced through a meat grinder. Painful, generic, uninspiring, not fun.