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Caliane

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yeah. I like the idea, and it would explain some things. but nothing in the show expressly suggests such a thing.
 

Chukzombi

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yeah. I like the idea, and it would explain some things. but nothing in the show expressly suggests such a thing.
full disclosure, this is what the arrowverse wiki has to say about it.
Eobard Thawne - Arrowverse Wiki - Wikia

Realizing he needed to harness Barry's speed to return to his own time Eobard begins devoting himself to ensuring Barry does indeed become the Flash, and traveled to Starling City to stalk Dr. Harrison Wells, the one who created the Flash via a particle accelerator. One month after killing Nora, Eobard caused Wells' car to crash, killing Tess Morgan and injuring Harrison, then drags Wells out of the car and uses a device to absorb Wells's DNA and literally make himself look exactly like Wells, intending to use the scientist's reputation and his own futuristic knowledge to create the particle accelerator as quickly as possible. After Harrison dies in the process, he buries Harrison's body in a field near the bridge and takes his place in the car as police find him.[4]
Life as Harrison Wells

After taking Wells' identity, Eobard subsequently devoted his life to S.T.A.R. Labs' creation and its particle accelerator as quickly as possible, but took precautions to ensure his plan would work and kept close observation throughout Barry's whole life by setting up cameras all over Central City even in the West house where Barry lived following Nora's death. He also inherited Wells' mansion but for security reasons he never kept any personal belongings in his house Eobard also came to like Big Belly Burger, even remarking it was one the few reasons to stay in the 21st century since cows are extinct in his time. After opening S.T.A.R. Labs, Eobard built a secret room accessible only via hand print where he kept the Gideon program which was still able to stay informed of future events, including a news paper article written by Iris titled "Flash Missing: Vanishes In Crisis" dated in 2024, an event currently set to occur in the new timeline. Eobard also kept his Reverse-Flash suit on a display case, and also stored a second suit away in the room. He also observed his nemesis's life including science fairs and soccer games, looking upon Barry with nothing but hate but would eventually begin to grow genuinely fond of Barry (15 years later would claim he didn't hate Barry, he hated but his future counterpart from the original timeline). Despite his new found fondness, he still vowed that Barry would die. He also kept just as close observation of his ancestor Eddie Thawne and took whatever precautions were needed to ensure Eddie would continue the Thawne family bloodline, thus ensuring Eobard's existence. Through Harrison's previous connections Eobard also became associated with Dr. Tina McGee, though Tina always sensed something was different about "Harrison". He also knew Simon Stagg who though famous for "his" scientific achievements, Eobard knew the greedy and corrupt philanthropist he really was. Eobard also once met Robert Queen at a charity event, one of their subjects of discussion was Robert's son Oliver. In his search for promising young minds to help with his work he became aware of Felicity Smoak and foresaw "great things" from her.
Harrison Wells and Hartley Rathaway playing a game of chess

Eobard playing a game of chess with Hartley Rathaway.

At some point Eobard hired Dr. Caitlin Snow, Ronnie Raymond and Hartley Rathaway, the latter of whom Eobard also grew close to and he became his prot?g?, to assist in the construction of the accelerator. It's possible he also hired them because of his future knowledge their achievements, later claiming that his actions have given them better lives than what they had.
it contradicts what ive been saying, but it makes less sense than what i said that he absorbed his DNA and other qualities which allowed him to become a mentor and grow fond of snow, raymond, ramon and even barry himself.
 

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full disclosure, this is what the arrowverse wiki has to say about it.
Eobard Thawne - Arrowverse Wiki - Wikia


it contradicts what ive been saying, but it makes less sense than what i said that he absorbed his DNA and other qualities which allowed him to become a mentor and grow fond of snow, raymond, ramon and even barry himself.
Not sure what point you're trying to make, but DNA does not contain memories
 

moonarchia

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He used the DNA as a mask, not a mind meld. Gideon had all the historical data needed to let him live as Wells and get STAR Labs working. He grew fond of Barry because he stalked him for so long. That's all there is to it.
 

Hoss

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A valid complaint is that they didn't explain why Thawne actually hated Flash, other than he was a villain from the future which is a cop out if you just leave it at that.
Yeah they did. Thawne hates barry because barry hates him. Barry hates thawne because because thawne hates him. They said that thawne hated barry mainly because as he traveled around in time he realized that barry hated him. Earlier this season was the first time thawne met barry in thawne's timeline and he didn't hate barry yet. But barry hated him and told him he was going to kill his mom so now he knows that's what's destined to happen.

I think that might be a time paradox. But that's the reasoning they're going with on this show. I expected barry to recognize the cycle of hate and attempt to break it.
 

Caliane

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they gave the explanation in s2.
And it was the basically the actual comic version.

"why do you hate me so much?"
"I didn't always. I was obsessed with you. for so long, I wanted to be the Flash. I spent years figuring out how you came to be. duplicating the reaction... hehe it worked. I became like you."
"so what happened?"
"this.. ability to travel through time, revealed the truth. My fate was to be your greatest enemy. I was Never going to be the Flash, so I became the Reverse of everything you were. The more people you saved, the more you were loved, the more I had to take from you"

Now, the TV is told, not shown. so you may not really get the point. He was unstable in the first place. comic version he actually has plastic surgery to look like BARRY, not random made up H.G.Wells. Goes back and finds out history remembers him, not as a member of the Flash family, but as the Flashs greatest enemy, the Reverse Flash. This drives him totally crazy. no angry, or hate. crazy, actually crazy. Reverse flash is a stalker from the future basically. He love/hates the Flash for not being his dad/lover/best friend.
 

Gavinmad

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Would have been a lot more interesting if Jay told them to go pound sand when Barry wanted to lock him up.
 

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they gave the explanation in s2.
And it was the basically the actual comic version.

"why do you hate me so much?"
"I didn't always. I was obsessed with you. for so long, I wanted to be the Flash. I spent years figuring out how you came to be. duplicating the reaction... hehe it worked. I became like you."
"so what happened?"
"this.. ability to travel through time, revealed the truth. My fate was to be your greatest enemy. I was Never going to be the Flash, so I became the Reverse of everything you were. The more people you saved, the more you were loved, the more I had to take from you"

Now, the TV is told, not shown. so you may not really get the point. He was unstable in the first place. comic version he actually has plastic surgery to look like BARRY, not random made up H.G.Wells. Goes back and finds out history remembers him, not as a member of the Flash family, but as the Flashs greatest enemy, the Reverse Flash. This drives him totally crazy. no angry, or hate. crazy, actually crazy. Reverse flash is a stalker from the future basically. He love/hates the Flash for not being his dad/lover/best friend.
I know in the comics he was a superfan that went all Yolanda Saldivar on him, but don't remember a whole lot of explanation on the TV show. Also pretty bizarre that he doesn't even know what time period Barry's from.
 

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So I don't know much about Flash lore, but who was the other guy in the cell (in Zoom's lair) with the metal mask on?
 

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So I don't know much about Flash lore, but who was the other guy in the cell (in Zoom's lair) with the metal mask on?
We don't know, there's no one in the lore like that. However, I have a sneaking suspicion that it was Wally West (look at his hands) and build. I bet the Earth 2 version of him is Kid Flash, and he was there as a trophy/meal for Zoom.
 

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We don't know, there's no one in the lore like that. However, I have a sneaking suspicion that it was Wally West (look at his hands) and build. I bet the Earth 2 version of him is Kid Flash, and he was there as a trophy/meal for Zoom.
Ahh... Wonder why the masked guy brought up Jay Garrick (using the 5x5 alphabet matrix). Makes me wonder if Garrick is going to be a Wells/Reverse Flash v2.0 or Garrick is actually working with Zoom, masked guy was trying to warn them. Doubtful, but wouldn't surprise me.
 

Shonuff

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Zoom is nigh unbeatable right now. We'll see if they take the comic book approach, where Barry finds out that Zoom is faster because he's slowing down time around him. And then Barry learns how to speed up time around himself, and overpowers Zoom.
 

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We don't know, there's no one in the lore like that. However, I have a sneaking suspicion that it was Wally West (look at his hands) and build. I bet the Earth 2 version of him is Kid Flash, and he was there as a trophy/meal for Zoom.
I think Zoom is Jay - the dude knocked out Jay of all names - Perhaps hes a splintered off personality of some form or Earth 3 Jay that made his way to Earth 2 somehow. Its a real trippy thing but i dont think Its Wally in the cell since id assume Earth 2 Iris would know it in some form.



I guess Earth 2 on pause for a bit.
 

Shonuff

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Xexx

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Notice the hair bro....Wally isnt the blackest of dudes but i know thats Jays hair or some other white guy who's just dirty and stuck in a cell like a hobo

It could be Eobard or Eddie? im not sure if Eobard traveled to that earth/time period but where IS Eddie? Who else is missing from the Earth 2 still?
 

Caliane

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yeah. I dont have much. the hair I think does seal it not being Wally.

I do think Jay might not be Jay. Though they already played that card.
 

Gavinmad

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I couldn't help it, I started laughing the instant Jay turned his back to the breach while still standing right next to it. It's like in Naruto when Guy has the flashbacks about his dad teaching him how to open the eight gates. You know he gonna die.
 

Ganthorn

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I was wondering if the guy in the mask is actually Jay Garrett and the Jay on earth 2 is Hunter Zolomon. He even pointed out his dopple was Hunter Zolomon but gave an adoption excuse. What if that really is just his real name/dopple ganger. He kept saying how he wasn't a hero etc.
 

Xexx

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Its possible its all a ruse but Harrison Wells knows its Jay - I was thinking he assumed the name upon ending up on Earth 1 and he just laying low bc he no longer had his speed. However its hard to discern who's behind the mask at this point because the guy has a small build similar to Flash so unless its Eddie or Eobard i cant really picture who it could be.