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I haven't looked at druid in a while, but I think they get some of the spell crit bonuses like WIZ, which would make them work well with ROG poisons. I don't know how that would compare with Rabid Bear, but poisons seem like they do the most damage, by a decent margin, in the Rogue kit.

Druid would also diversify resists in terms of Druid getting fire spells (if it matters).
 
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May be a silly question but I have an SK/BRD/WIZ and have an incredible AoE build going right now so I made a WAR/ROG looking for a more melee/single-target playstyle and trying to figure out what to make my 3rd class. Would a WAR/ROG/RNG work or are you fairly dependent on the SK for sustain/lifetaps? Anyone have suggestions for a third class?

Also, that's awesome on your clear time.... pretty unreal actually. Me and three of my RL friends went in last night to check it out post-patch and its significantly improved since the first time we tried. We really didn't push but we did more than half of it in a hour and probably could have finished everything in a hour and a half if we really locked in.
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someone else posted about a 30min clear time with BST / MNK / WIZ. if you thought mine was nuts haha. I knew some trio would beat mine but didnt think they'd be able to cut that much time out! Insane. I gotta try a BST / MNK / WIZ sometime.
 
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I haven't looked at druid in a while, but I think they get some of the spell crit bonuses like WIZ, which would make them work well with ROG poisons. I don't know how that would compare with Rabid Bear, but poisons seem like they do the most damage, by a decent margin, in the Rogue kit.

Druid would also diversify resists in terms of Druid getting fire spells (if it matters).
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Backstab with thiefs vengence is kinda nuts too. Ive seen single backstabs as high as 10K on NTOV bosses and every round it can triple. And im not even BIS geared yet. Some rounds when a triple lands it can be in upwards of 15K+ Also I get 5.5K crits all day long with with the SK AA touch of the cursed too. So not only poison, but the backstabs with thiefs vengence disc is nuts too. They also upped thiefs vengence to be 12 second from six, so you can pull off 2 backstab pushes in that 12 seconds. 3 if youre perfect but highly unlikely.

My SK/SHM/ROG might not be the fastest killer, but its super safe. Having like 3 different lifetap procs runing, plus the ones on the weapons too, and constantly crit healing, Its really hard to die. Thats why I chose the SK for my ranger/bard/ build although not sure how that will work out because ranger build is mostly for that white damage the more I read about it, while the SK is all about that magic damage stacking. So not sure how this will work in the end, but like I said, ill just switch the SK to Cleric at that point if it does not work.
 
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Backstab with thiefs vengence is kinda nuts too. Ive seen single backstabs as high as 10K on NTOV bosses and every round it can triple. Some rounds when a triple lands it can be in upwards of 15K+ Also I get 5.5K crits all day long with with the SK AA touch of the cursed too. So not only poison, but the backstabs with thiefs vengence disc is nuts too. They also upped thiefs vengence to be 12 second from six, so you can pull off 2 backstab pushes in that 12 seconds. 3 if youre perfect but highly unlikely.

My SK/SHM/ROG might not be the fastest killer, but its super safe. Having like 3 different lifetap procs runing, plus the ones on the weapons too, and constantly crit healing, Its really hard to die. Thats why I chose the SK for my ranger/bard/ build although not sure how that will work out because ranger build is mostly for that white damage the more I read about it, while the SK is all about that magic damage stacking. So not sure how this will work in the end, but like I said, ill just switch the SK to Cleric at that point if it does not work.
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I never use Thief's Vengeance because I wasn't sure how it worked (description says must be in stealth or some shit) and didn't seem to be doing much when I tried. Poison crit procs are almost all over 12k and it crits ALOT with Wiz... or at least it did; I have haven't paid that much attention since the nerf.
 
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I continue to be amazed at how much shit I don’t know. So apparently there’s main augs that are like, the prismatic pieces that can go into armor, right. But then, there’s these little gay boy versions that can go into every piece and boost your spell power by like, 80?!

where do you get those? I’ve only seen sleeper / VP augs so far.
 
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I continue to be amazed at how much shit I don’t know. So apparently there’s main augs that are like, the prismatic pieces that can go into armor, right. But then, there’s these little gay boy versions that can go into every piece and boost your spell power by like, 80?!

where do you get those? I’ve only seen sleeper / VP augs so far.
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They drop from Crypt of Nadox. So depending on your build you can go in there and pull 1/2 the zone at a time. I know I do and my setup isnt even AOE focused. But they are super rare and better yet, the good 4heal/4SP legendary are even more rare. This is why they are so expensive. Its like finding gold, lol. The common greens dont have any, blues have 2/2 and the legos have 4/4. I still go there from time to time and do a couple of pulls in a respawning instance. I still equip the blue ones because 2/2 is better than nothing, right? There is good money to be had there too if you have some large bags. 3-4K pp in like 20-30 min?

Edit: This is where the lavastone ring drops from too. IDK about luclin rings, but this was BIS for sp power based builds. I guess its some event there. Have not done it, but just found out about it. I guess you kill some named dude, then another bigger named spawns, then he has a chance to drop the ring.

Im sure luclin has some too. Ive seen the Shissar ones drop from the snakes. But thats more str/attack. But there has to be others out there that drop in Luclin, right?
 
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Backstab with thiefs vengence is kinda nuts too. Ive seen single backstabs as high as 10K on NTOV bosses and every round it can triple. And im not even BIS geared yet. Some rounds when a triple lands it can be in upwards of 15K+ Also I get 5.5K crits all day long with with the SK AA touch of the cursed too. So not only poison, but the backstabs with thiefs vengence disc is nuts too. They also upped thiefs vengence to be 12 second from six, so you can pull off 2 backstab pushes in that 12 seconds. 3 if youre perfect but highly unlikely.

My SK/SHM/ROG might not be the fastest killer, but its super safe. Having like 3 different lifetap procs runing, plus the ones on the weapons too, and constantly crit healing, Its really hard to die. Thats why I chose the SK for my ranger/bard/ build although not sure how that will work out because ranger build is mostly for that white damage the more I read about it, while the SK is all about that magic damage stacking. So not sure how this will work in the end, but like I said, ill just switch the SK to Cleric at that point if it does not work.
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Spell Damage doesn't even matter for SK/RNG synergy, really. It's all about Touch of the Cursed being so nutty with bows and the fact that Theft of Life makes your crit heals from it 5k+. And we're just now entering the era of insane itemization in EQ, where they started slapping ALL STATS/ALL RESISTS on almost every piece of gear. I'm at 125HDex(need to get that 150 breakpoint but I've been lazy in Luclin because I hate it)2300atk, and still have like 250 SD. It's plenty. You will get a lot of it "passively", as the eras go on. And you have leech touch, leechcurse, weapon dance, shield of songs, etc. for emergencies where your TotC isn't proccing. I can practically AFK on almost every boss, even Kera. The only part that matters for Kera is popping all your burn when he hits the 25% so you don't get adds. But I afk every boss in VT no problem and it'll be even easier now because they thankful nerfed the fucking silence so you can dump your mana pool more often on DDD (which is the only thing I wish I had more SD for, honestly).

And if you get REALLY desperate, I also only run Sympathetic Healing 2 and just spam light healing from the Ranger. It actually keeps you up pretty well.
 
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Spell Damage doesn't even matter for SK/RNG synergy, really. It's all about Touch of the Cursed being so nutty with bows and the fact that Theft of Life makes your crit heals from it 5k+. And we're just now entering the era of insane itemization in EQ, where they started slapping ALL STATS/ALL RESISTS on almost every piece of gear. I'm at 125HDex(need to get that 150 breakpoint but I've been lazy in Luclin because I hate it)2300atk, and still have like 250 SD. It's plenty. You will get a lot of it "passively", as the eras go on. And you have leech touch, leechcurse, weapon dance, shield of songs, etc. for emergencies where your TotC isn't proccing. I can practically AFK on almost every boss, even Kera. The only part that matters for Kera is popping all your burn when he hits the 25% so you don't get adds. But I afk every boss in VT no problem and it'll be even easier now because they thankful nerfed the fucking silence so you can dump your mana pool more often on DDD (which is the only thing I wish I had more SD for, honestly).

And if you get REALLY desperate, I also only run Sympathetic Healing 2 and just spam light healing from the Ranger. It actually keeps you up pretty well.
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I just need to pump some serious AAs into that dude to see WTF is going on. Hes geared out pretty well already just need to level some of it, lol. I found a nice lego piece with attack on it yesterday in VT too. But yeah, he just needs a few days of trash killing for that AA power. Too much to do and not enough time, lol.
 
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I just need to pump some serious AAs into that dude to see WTF is going on. Hes geared out pretty well already just need to level some of it, lol. I found a nice lego piece with attack on it yesterday in VT too. But yeah, he just needs a few days of trash killing for that AA power. Too much to do and not enough time, lol.
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Like almost everything outside of petcucks, you really need about 1300-1500 AA minimum before things start coming online.
 
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Like almost everything outside of petcucks, you really need about 1300-1500 AA minimum before things start coming online.
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Speaking of petcucks, what are the essential pet AAs to get with my first couple hundred so AA? I rolled a twink bst/mag/nec and don’t know what to get first outside of purchasing 75% into the flurry lines, and also 8/18 cs/ca just in case I draw any aggro.

I saw a discord post about buying undead dire charm and some other swarm pet cooldowns early on along with dd spell and dot spell crit stuff , but I don’t really need thise right now since it’s just afk pet killing. I basically afk leveled to 56 with base pets and am now in DN just afk collecting 100aa at a time while I’m at work
 
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What’s the preferred way to get AAs in DN?

I’m level 56 PAL/BER/MNK, only 170ish AA so not very beefy at all yet.

Is it a matter of pulling a bunch of shit and trying to do it with riposte (which I feel like I’m gonna die at probably) or is it just as well to group until I’m stronger.
 
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Jackie Treehorn said:
What’s the preferred way to get AAs in DN?

I’m level 56 PAL/BER/MNK, only 170ish AA so not very beefy at all yet.

Is it a matter of pulling a bunch of shit and trying to do it with riposte (which I feel like I’m gonna die at probably) or is it just as well to group until I’m stronger.
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On SK/ROG/WIZ, at low AA/level, I did rats in the tunnels because of assassinate, but slimes might be better xp (just less of them). Biggest problem with slimes is making sure to avoid the dispel at the top of the tunnel. I would keep pulling more and more at a time until shit got too much, then do that pull for a while. It would occasional get me killed though. I got the big rat cave network (from the water to the lava to the cave where Zlan the Dragon spawns) down to 3 pulls, before leveling to 60.
 
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Speaking of petcucks, what are the essential pet AAs to get with my first couple hundred so AA? I rolled a twink bst/mag/nec and don’t know what to get first outside of purchasing 75% into the flurry lines, and also 8/18 cs/ca just in case I draw any aggro.

I saw a discord post about buying undead dire charm and some other swarm pet cooldowns early on along with dd spell and dot spell crit stuff , but I don’t really need thise right now since it’s just afk pet killing. I basically afk leveled to 56 with base pets and am now in DN just afk collecting 100aa at a time while I’m at work
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Get flurry to 75%, for sure. Then I'd grab Servant of Ro 1/6, Host of Elements 1/6, and 1/6 Frenzied Burnout to get a couple of your cooldowns. After that you probably want the AA Malo, then all the spell crit stuff like destructive fury, fury of magic, spell casting fury, etc. Then I'd just finish up pet CA/CS, max the cooldown AAs like army of the dead, wake the dead, etc.
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What’s the preferred way to get AAs in DN?

I’m level 56 PAL/BER/MNK, only 170ish AA so not very beefy at all yet.

Is it a matter of pulling a bunch of shit and trying to do it with riposte (which I feel like I’m gonna die at probably) or is it just as well to group until I’m stronger.
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I think DN is a waste now that they've put the ZEM at 2.2 when Luclin zones are at 2.8. I'd probably park at 50 and do Griegs or The Deep until around 1000AA, then I'd get some basic gear, hit 60, and do VT. A respawning VT with the mob HP nerf is pretty nutty AA exp now because a LOT of things are red and yellows, while also getting the bonus AA exp for being level 60 vs. 56. And if you have a melee build, skip the rocks at the entrance and tear through the Ahkeva with the Slaughter weapons. On my CLR/ZER/MNK I can sometimes one-shot the fuckers with the Great Maul of Slaughter.
 
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Jackie Treehorn said:
What’s the preferred way to get AAs in DN?

I’m level 56 PAL/BER/MNK, only 170ish AA so not very beefy at all yet.

Is it a matter of pulling a bunch of shit and trying to do it with riposte (which I feel like I’m gonna die at probably) or is it just as well to group until I’m stronger.
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unless you have some sort of AOE ability there is no point in ever pulling more than you can kill. it's not like you earn more exp for taking more damage than you need to or anything you just increase your hassle and risk of death with no upside. If you are mostly single target then just crawl the dungeon instead of trying to make the biggest pulls for no reason.

Monk does have a 15min AA that lets you do aoe for a few seconds and sure you have like a 30min cd riposte disc but that's really not efficient at all until you are the point dmg/gear/AA wise where you can pull and kill everything with that AOE AA in 1 swoop.
 
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My SK, Shm, Rog pulls a ton in DN and is single target DPS. However, I can backstab on a riposte occasionally, which is sizeable PLUS that can also assassinate.

There is also the lazy factor. It’s slow as fuck moving 1 mob to the next. Just run and gather a ton and sit face tanking.

ps: WTB 1k AA power level. 😎
 
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My SK, Shm, Rog pulls a ton in DN and is single target DPS. However, I can backstab on a riposte occasionally, which is sizeable PLUS that can also assassinate.

There is also the lazy factor. It’s slow as fuck moving 1 mob to the next. Just run and gather a ton and sit face tanking.

ps: WTB 1k AA power level. 😎
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If you get enough spell power on you, plus all the dot/crit AAs the lv 15 shaman aoe crits for me for 1500 a tick. so its a nice bonus when youre pulling 1/2 the zone. Im sure you can even get it higher than that because my SP is only at like 470. Sometimes the mobs just die before I even get to them. I always use that spell, I was even using it in VT.

Also to add, dont sleep on the rogue discs. He ehas a few that are good. Also the insta cast malo and slow AA is king. 75% insta cast slow? Yes please.
 
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I am still fairly new. Just over 200aa total and in mostly Baz gear that I’ve picked up on the cheap, plus a generously donated SK epic
 
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I am still fairly new. Just over 200aa total and in mostly Baz gear that I’ve picked up on the cheap, plus a generously donated SK epic
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Yeah, its how I started, plus a few donations from Burns Burns that helped me to gear up. I did the epic myself but bought all the shit for it, lol. Since almost everything on this server is tradable. I found that about the 500AA mark the build really started to take off. Make sure you pick up the AA that are pinned on the SK/SHM/ROG theory craft thread on the THJ Discord FIRST. These really set off the power of the build. The rest just supplement it. They also have a pre-luclin BIS list that is pinned as well that helps to see WTF to strive for on gear. Some of that shit I picked up on the cheap and had to level it while grinding the AA. Some is just fucking expensive no matter if its green, blue or legendary.
 
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You guys know how to configure this shit so it shows everything? Its not showing any spells, dots, poison,crits, taps... none of that shit. WTF am I doing wrong and why is this shit so hard, lol?

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Seem slike none of my blue magic, crits or any of that shit are showing up. I have them all being sent to my main chat window.

There is no way this boss is only 750K hit points... Something is wrong here, lol

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