The Leftovers

Gunnar_sl said:

Holy fuck. That finale was exquisite. My wife and I were speechless at parts.

Read the thread and you'll find hate, watch 4 episodes and you'll be hooked. Watch all 10 and you will see an amazing show. Wow. Al season they blew me away with the story and production and that finale was one of the most powerful I've ever seen.

I implore you, watch this season and post. You'll be blown away.

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anyone else back this up or even watching this anymore

spronk_sl said:

anyone else back this up or even watching this anymore

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I liked it. Production value is very high. For some reason the unanswered questions don't bother me like they did with LOST.

I wish it could go 5 posta without someone
Mentioning lost sinxe they are very different shows

But seriously check it out with an open mind. Its definitely slow the first 2 shows. Then it picks uo for 4 weeks and really gets amazing the last 4 weeks. And it finishes strong as hell

I really enjoyed this series. The finale was pretty heavy and really well done.

Blazin_sl said:

I liked it, but it doesn't draw me in. They tried to act like Wayne did have some ability but clearly he was a fraud because he supposedly helped Nora which was a lie she wasn't helped at all. Now we are to believe he is going to give cop his family back because he "wished" for it. I'll continue watching it but it falls below Boardwalk and GoT in my mind by a good bit.

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Nora even says she thought she was fixed but was a lie. Wayne is absolutely a fraud and they show him to be one, but also show his power is based on faith and wanting to move on, accepting it.

When Nora comes downstairs in the finale...ouch

Gunnar_sl said:

When Nora comes downstairs in the finale...ouch

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Yep, its emotionally manipulative grief-porn. Show is exactly what it started as. Acting like it got any better is pretty much bs.

My wife and I call this "The Show where nothing really happens" However the acting in this show is Fantastic and I looked forward to it The Emotional Scenes had the ability to punch yo in the gut and you really do not see that on a lot of televisions shows..

I like Justin Thero after watching this

I finally powered through this series. I liked it. I think people here were way, way too harsh on it. I don't know if you guys expected something else or what, but there were plenty of people here and out in the world telling you what kind of show this would be beforehand. It is completely about the characters.

It isn't perfect or anything. Much like the book, I think they could completely write out the son's part and be ok. I get that they are trying to show the broad societal impact, but come on. And they cut so much out of his story for the show that it seems pointless. The magic man and all that shit with the shirts and whatever... ok Damon, calm the fuck down. Someone get Mr. Lindelof his ativan before he starts doing shit like this to tv shows. But on the whole, totally worth watching. It could have been a lot better, I think, it could have been classic, golden age television. And I say that not caring much for the book, but the book just has a style and atmosphere that seems perfect for this kind of a show. I think they missed the mark a little, but it is still probably better than 90% of what is on tv.

khalid_sl said:

Well, if they aren't trying to get us to sympathize with us, then why spend so much of the show on totally unlikable people? I mean, the "horrific" stoning scene and the grief of the people afterwards, seemed designed to do that. Now mind you, I didn't feel a single bit of sadness and was rolling my eyes at the people "against grief" feeling horrible.

Now again, maybe that is all what they are trying to do. The writers are doing grief porn and I'm supposed to hate the GRs, even though they are such a big part of the show. Well, good job, but it isn't fun to watch when they are onscreen.

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They aren't against grief, just the opposite.

chaos_sl said:

They aren't against grief, just the opposite.

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You are quite right, not sure why I wrote that.

I disagree with you, at least in the context of the tv show, that they should have removed the son's part. While it felt very disconnected, I would have preferred more exploration of that than a focus on the GRs. I just can't get over what a misfire it seems to be to focus a show so heavily on a Westboro Baptist church clone. They seem, at least to me and I know some others, as utterly horrible. All the attempts the show made to make me care at all about them failed. Now if the actual attempt of the show was to make us hate them and then make us feel bad when they got the shit kicked out of them, that also failed.

However, maybe I am too harsh. Certainly the acting was great. Even the GRs did a good job in an utterly impossible job. Nora was great, Kevin was great, huggybear was great, can't really think of any actor that didn't nail it honestly. The second season could be interesting now that they should move on from the GRs.

khalid_sl said:

You are quite right, not sure why I wrote that.

I disagree with you, at least in the context of the tv show, that they should have removed the son's part. While it felt very disconnected, I would have preferred more exploration of that than a focus on the GRs. I just can't get over what a misfire it seems to be to focus a show so heavily on a Westboro Baptist church clone. They seem, at least to me and I know some others, as utterly horrible. All the attempts the show made to make me care at all about them failed. Now if the actual attempt of the show was to make us hate them and then make us feel bad when they got the shit kicked out of them, that also failed.

However, maybe I am too harsh. Certainly the acting was great. Even the GRs did a good job in an utterly impossible job. Nora was great, Kevin was great, huggybear was great, can't really think of any actor that didn't nail it honestly. The second season could be interesting now that they should move on from the GRs.

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I wouldn't say I really hate them, they're just as fucked up as everyone else on the show. I never really made the connection between the Westboro people and them until you said it here. I don't really know that is a fair comparison. I do think they did a good job of showing the primal reaction people have to this group and what they are doing. They're just standing around, but people just erupt in confrontations with them, all of that culminating in the huge blowup at the end.

I don't really know that the GR is over, either. They are a nationwide (at least) movement, all that really happened is they had their houses burned down, which are easily replaced. Laurie may or may not be out of it, but even if she's not they are still a huge presence in the community.

Westboro Baptist Church = All bad things are punishment from God for Fagging it up

Guilty Remnant = We arent going to let you move on and forget

Not really the same. I dunno, I dont see that a connection. The GR basically accept that our world ended that day. there is no going back to the way it was. I can even get behind their reasoning. Just watching it play out this season they really annoyed me more than anything. They could have done a better job of building their motivations and cause earlier on.

Yeah, they are definitely nationwide. I wouldnt mind them exploring some of the other cults as well in season 2.

Edit - Additionally I cant remember any religious motivation for the GR in the show. Maybe I missed it. I think in the books from reading about them the GR is more of a "You cant ignore Gods Awesome Power" and in the TV show it was more "The shit happened we are powerless"

Rubbing grief in people's faces. The "God hates fags" at funeral's where people are grieving comes from the Baptist church. The "stop wasting your breath" at people mourning loved ones comes from the GR.

Sure, it isn't exact, but it provokes the same rage in me either way. Religious motivation has nothing to do with the comparison, other than them both being cults based around deliberate provocation.

The GR didn't have anything to do with religion in the book either, from what I remember. The book did get into Wayne's cult a bit more and the dot heads just a bit, but there wasn't much depth to it.

chaos_sl said:

The GR didn't have anything to do with religion in the book either, from what I remember. The book did get into Wayne's cult a bit more and the dot heads just a bit, but there wasn't much depth to it.

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Interesting. I came into it reading the GR was literally "GODS POWER" but I do take you word for it. I am very happy that religion took a backseat here.

Rewatvched the finale. Im curious where this goes. The fucking theme still hits me hard.



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Even with no context, watch this scene and givem e thoughts. I was blown away. The score, acting, etc is great and I tried to give a sample scene with as little story as possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBZDj4nTFNY

chaos_sl said:

I think they missed the mark a little, but it is still probably better than 90% of what is on tv.

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Does it get better past the midway point of the season? Because, honestly, by Episode 4 I found this to be worse than most of the new "high production" Network TV shlock (Sub 12 episodes) being pumped out. I mean, yeah, better than standard episodic TV sure, but still bad.

I'll have to try and muscle through the last 6 episodes.