tad10
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The drugs had nothing to do with the crash according to the report. Just thrown in there as misinformation.
The NSA watches you poop.
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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Adebisi
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iannis
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Marge, the man took the time to press the shift key. I think he knows what he's talking about.
tad10
Elisha Dushku
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iannis
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The problem is that you guys do have concerns that I share. This aggression, man...
But then it quickly goes sideways into completely off the rails fucking crazy. Like full on unsupportable aggressive paranoia. Like bunkers full of seeds, gasoline, 3 teenage girls, and small rifle ammunition in Utah somewhere crazy. Like mentally unwell levels of interpretation.
I'm telling the Great Ones to eat your head last.
But then it quickly goes sideways into completely off the rails fucking crazy. Like full on unsupportable aggressive paranoia. Like bunkers full of seeds, gasoline, 3 teenage girls, and small rifle ammunition in Utah somewhere crazy. Like mentally unwell levels of interpretation.
I'm telling the Great Ones to eat your head last.
hodj
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Depending on the seeds, and the girls, this idea is rather appealing, actually.
khalid
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Phazael
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tad10
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Loser Araysar
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http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...-filters.shtml
Latest Leak: NSA Can Spy On Almost Anything, Gets To Set Its Own Filters
from the and-another-shoe-drops dept
And, here we go again. This time, it's the WSJ journal with the scoop on NSA surveillance, and how the defenders of the NSA have been lying to us. Despite claims that the NSA was really only focused on foreign communications, the WSJ is reporting that it actually covers 75% of US internet traffic:
The National Security Agency-which possesses only limited legal authority to spy on U.S. citizens-has built a surveillance network that covers more Americans' Internet communications than officials have publicly disclosed, current and former officials say.
The system has the capacity to reach roughly 75% of all U.S. Internet traffic in the hunt for foreign intelligence, including a wide array of communications by foreigners and Americans. In some cases, it retains the written content of emails sent between citizens within the U.S. and also filters domestic phone calls made with Internet technology, these people say.
Basically, they're just revealing more details about the things that whistleblower Mark Klein revealed years ago: that the NSA has deals with the major telcos which scoop up a huge amount of internet traffic.
The programs, code-named Blarney, Fairview, Oakstar, Lithium and Stormbrew, among others, filter and gather information at major telecommunications companies. Blarney, for instance, was established with AT&T Inc., former officials say. AT&T declined to comment.
This filtering takes place at more than a dozen locations at major Internet junctions in the U.S., officials say.
The WSJ report is wrong on one account, though. It claims that people believed that the NSA's filtering actually happened "where undersea or other foreign cables enter the country" but that's not true. Mark Klein made it clear that the NSA had machines directly on AT&T's property.
And, of course, it will come as no surprise that these programs that work directly with telcos to tap into full internet traffic aren't just about metadata:
...this set of programs shows the NSA has the capability to track almost anything that happens online, so long as it is covered by a broad court order.
[....] Inevitably, officials say, some U.S. Internet communications are scanned and intercepted, including both "metadata" about communications, such as the "to" and "from" lines in an email, and the contents of the communications themselves.
This also shouldn't be a surprise. For all the talk of "metadata" it was always clear that the surveillance defenders were talking about this program only, which was the Patriot Act Section 215 "business records" program. But other programs, such as these listed above, were clearly about actual content as well.
While the report does note that some "minimization" happens, there is clearly widespread ability to abuse. The system works by having the NSA telling the telcos to only send over certain traffic covering "certain areas of interest" which the NSA then "briefly copies" and decides what to keep and what to dump. Again, this is consistent with earlier reports of the NSA searching all emails that go into and out of the US.
The latest report is, again, replete with NSA doublespeak. It claims that it's not "accessing" all of this traffic, because it asks the telcos to do some of the filtering for it. That's how it gets away with talking about "things we actually touch," even though its deals with the telcos basically mean they can access almost everything.
The WSJ further reports that, while most of the requests are targeted towards foreign communications, there are times when it's quite clear that requests are likely to cover domestic communications. Some telcos apparently push back, causing "friction", while others seem to comply with no qualms, though there is no indication of which telcos fall into which camp.
The report further confirms that this program is considered "legal" by the administration thanks to a broad interpretation of the FISA Amendments Act, giving the NSA the power to snoop on people "reasonably believed" to be outside the US, rather than requiring "probable cause" that they were "an agent of a foreign power." Also, there's this:
NSA has discretion on setting its filters, and the system relies significantly on self-policing. This can result in improper collection that continues for years.
The report also claims that it was one of these "mistakes" that resulted in three years of illegal collections (much greater than the "few months" that were revealed in last week's Washington Post article).
And now we wait for another bunch of carefully worded statements from NSA defenders...
Latest Leak: NSA Can Spy On Almost Anything, Gets To Set Its Own Filters
from the and-another-shoe-drops dept
And, here we go again. This time, it's the WSJ journal with the scoop on NSA surveillance, and how the defenders of the NSA have been lying to us. Despite claims that the NSA was really only focused on foreign communications, the WSJ is reporting that it actually covers 75% of US internet traffic:
The National Security Agency-which possesses only limited legal authority to spy on U.S. citizens-has built a surveillance network that covers more Americans' Internet communications than officials have publicly disclosed, current and former officials say.
The system has the capacity to reach roughly 75% of all U.S. Internet traffic in the hunt for foreign intelligence, including a wide array of communications by foreigners and Americans. In some cases, it retains the written content of emails sent between citizens within the U.S. and also filters domestic phone calls made with Internet technology, these people say.
Basically, they're just revealing more details about the things that whistleblower Mark Klein revealed years ago: that the NSA has deals with the major telcos which scoop up a huge amount of internet traffic.
The programs, code-named Blarney, Fairview, Oakstar, Lithium and Stormbrew, among others, filter and gather information at major telecommunications companies. Blarney, for instance, was established with AT&T Inc., former officials say. AT&T declined to comment.
This filtering takes place at more than a dozen locations at major Internet junctions in the U.S., officials say.
The WSJ report is wrong on one account, though. It claims that people believed that the NSA's filtering actually happened "where undersea or other foreign cables enter the country" but that's not true. Mark Klein made it clear that the NSA had machines directly on AT&T's property.
And, of course, it will come as no surprise that these programs that work directly with telcos to tap into full internet traffic aren't just about metadata:
...this set of programs shows the NSA has the capability to track almost anything that happens online, so long as it is covered by a broad court order.
[....] Inevitably, officials say, some U.S. Internet communications are scanned and intercepted, including both "metadata" about communications, such as the "to" and "from" lines in an email, and the contents of the communications themselves.
This also shouldn't be a surprise. For all the talk of "metadata" it was always clear that the surveillance defenders were talking about this program only, which was the Patriot Act Section 215 "business records" program. But other programs, such as these listed above, were clearly about actual content as well.
While the report does note that some "minimization" happens, there is clearly widespread ability to abuse. The system works by having the NSA telling the telcos to only send over certain traffic covering "certain areas of interest" which the NSA then "briefly copies" and decides what to keep and what to dump. Again, this is consistent with earlier reports of the NSA searching all emails that go into and out of the US.
The latest report is, again, replete with NSA doublespeak. It claims that it's not "accessing" all of this traffic, because it asks the telcos to do some of the filtering for it. That's how it gets away with talking about "things we actually touch," even though its deals with the telcos basically mean they can access almost everything.
The WSJ further reports that, while most of the requests are targeted towards foreign communications, there are times when it's quite clear that requests are likely to cover domestic communications. Some telcos apparently push back, causing "friction", while others seem to comply with no qualms, though there is no indication of which telcos fall into which camp.
The report further confirms that this program is considered "legal" by the administration thanks to a broad interpretation of the FISA Amendments Act, giving the NSA the power to snoop on people "reasonably believed" to be outside the US, rather than requiring "probable cause" that they were "an agent of a foreign power." Also, there's this:
NSA has discretion on setting its filters, and the system relies significantly on self-policing. This can result in improper collection that continues for years.
The report also claims that it was one of these "mistakes" that resulted in three years of illegal collections (much greater than the "few months" that were revealed in last week's Washington Post article).
And now we wait for another bunch of carefully worded statements from NSA defenders...
Mist
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fanaskin
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The FISA Court Knew the NSA Lied Repeatedly About Its Spying, Approved Its Searches Anyway
A secret court opinion from October 2011 that ruled the NSA's surveillance activities unconstitutionalhas finally been unveiled, thanks to a successful challenge by the Electronic Frontier Foundation. The document is heavily redacted, but as it hinges on the NSA's data collection methods, it offers interesting insight.
In short, the FISC court specifically calls out the government for "disclosing a substantial misrepresentation"-lying, although it apparently wasn't perjury-of how large its spying activities were. But it gets even more explicit.
In a review of single-communication transactions and multi-communication transactions (MCTs)-the definition of "transaction" is redacted, but it appears to be a specific definition for communications the NSA might intercept-the FISC specifically notes that the NSA's "minimization procedures" to limit collection of unwanted data are not up to snuff.
Shockingly,the court notes on page 30 that the NSA "acquires more than two hundred fifty million Internet communications each year persuant to section 702, but the vast majority of these communications are obtained from Internet service providers and are not at issue" in this case. (The ISPs are redacted.)
From there,the court notes that the NSA's own review of its collected data included hundreds of communications that involved solely domestic recipients, which is wholly illegal even under the broad surveillance powers decreed by Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act.A pair footnotes from page 35 explain:
A secret court opinion from October 2011 that ruled the NSA's surveillance activities unconstitutionalhas finally been unveiled, thanks to a successful challenge by the Electronic Frontier Foundation. The document is heavily redacted, but as it hinges on the NSA's data collection methods, it offers interesting insight.
In short, the FISC court specifically calls out the government for "disclosing a substantial misrepresentation"-lying, although it apparently wasn't perjury-of how large its spying activities were. But it gets even more explicit.
In a review of single-communication transactions and multi-communication transactions (MCTs)-the definition of "transaction" is redacted, but it appears to be a specific definition for communications the NSA might intercept-the FISC specifically notes that the NSA's "minimization procedures" to limit collection of unwanted data are not up to snuff.
Shockingly,the court notes on page 30 that the NSA "acquires more than two hundred fifty million Internet communications each year persuant to section 702, but the vast majority of these communications are obtained from Internet service providers and are not at issue" in this case. (The ISPs are redacted.)
From there,the court notes that the NSA's own review of its collected data included hundreds of communications that involved solely domestic recipients, which is wholly illegal even under the broad surveillance powers decreed by Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act.A pair footnotes from page 35 explain:
Mist
REEEEeyore
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This shit keeps getting better and better.
Only retards and shills still claim this is for our protection.
I'm hoping that the hard right republicans around the South realize that Uncle Sugar is watching them jerk it to NASCAR, bite a swag of chew and pay a visit to the White House. A million red-neck march. It would bring a tear to mine eye.
Hekotat
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I'm starting to see more and more angry posts about it on Facebook so I guess that's a good sign, but I seriously doubt it will have an effect in the long run. I don't think anything short of revolution is going to stop them.
Sure they might say they'll stop doing it but I wouldn't believe them for a second, especially with all the fucking lying they've been doing lately.
Sure they might say they'll stop doing it but I wouldn't believe them for a second, especially with all the fucking lying they've been doing lately.