The NSA watches you poop.
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Chukzombi
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Putin is the defacto leader of the world. this president can claim he caught and killed osama with no body to show for it, yet he cant arrest one white american dude sitting in an airport with luggage full of america's book of secrets in his hands. our shit is so done.
Well, obviously the guy is just in over his head at this point. WikiLeaks has never been really good at PR...whatever happens to Snowden his image as a heroic whistleblower is never going to recover from relying on the likes of China, Russia, and apparently Ecuador to warn the world about how American freedom is supposedly in shambles. Weren't there people in Iceland publicly offering to help him? I mean, this would look a lot less retarded if he went somewhere that actually is one of the freest places in the world.
I'm not sure why the government is bothering to protest to China and Russia at this point. Just more embarrassment when they ignore it all. Obviously there is no downside to them in using this guy as a pawn to sit back, laugh, and embarrass a rival. Just wait for the next wanted Chinese dissident to show up at an American embassy and very loudly grant him asylum or something...has the U.S. govt really forgotten how these little games are played? Shit, Obama.
I'm not sure why the government is bothering to protest to China and Russia at this point. Just more embarrassment when they ignore it all. Obviously there is no downside to them in using this guy as a pawn to sit back, laugh, and embarrass a rival. Just wait for the next wanted Chinese dissident to show up at an American embassy and very loudly grant him asylum or something...has the U.S. govt really forgotten how these little games are played? Shit, Obama.
Arbitrary
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What in God's name are you talking about? The people who think he was in the wrong already thought he was in the wrong and for the people that regard him as a "heroic whistleblower" the fact that he's had to seek refuge elsewhere only fits in with that narrative. And you just marginalized countries with a combined population of 1.5 billion people as if their opinions on world events didn't matter.
fanaskin
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/op...ower-play.html
The Syrian regime also provides Russia with a key strategic asset: a deep warm-water port at Tartus. The lack of such a port has plagued Russia's global ambitions for centuries and is said to be one reason behind its invasion of Afghanistan.
Tartus, which garrisons Moscow's growing Mediterranean fleet, is worth defending for the Kremlin.
The importance of the port may not be as great as it was in Soviet times, but unfettered access to the high seas remains a driving force for Russian strategic thinking as Russia's main ports are either ice-locked for much of the year or land-locked by straits controlled by other powers.
We are actively fighting a proxy war with Russia/Iran/China, that is straining things slightly.
fanaskin
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I think you grossly overestimate this angle, and how people view it probably aligns with whatever angle they already had of the person. the government actively has been cracking down on whistle blowers so it's not like there isn't a rational reason to use those routes.
The kinds of penalties whistle blowers faced 50 years ago are a pittance compared to today, look what happened to the guy who released the pentagon papers, he never ran and nothing happened to him, that would never happen today and is a core reason why having a "war on whistle blowers" is in direct conflict with being more "free and open".
If anything having to go to china and russia should tell you the sad state of democracy in America.
Neki
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I can understand why he is choosing these countries to evade Washington. I mean, if he went to countries such as UK, Australia, Japan, Spain and France, once his plane enters the airspace of these countries, it would be practically escorted to the airport by fighter planes and he'd be arrested on the tarmac and handed to the US on a silver platter.
If you were holding sekret beta infoz of the NSA and Washington was on your back, where wouldyougo to evade capture?
If you were holding sekret beta infoz of the NSA and Washington was on your back, where wouldyougo to evade capture?
Gavinmad
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Uh, not without causing a huge international incident with the country where the flight originated.
fanaskin
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They would just refuse him entry so it's not like he could even travel to UK or france ect.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-8658633.html
They have been told: "Carriers should deny boarding. This individual is highly likely to be refused entry to the UK."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-8658633.html
They have been told: "Carriers should deny boarding. This individual is highly likely to be refused entry to the UK."
TrollfaceDeux
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So if Snowden is a traitor-- a spy giving secrets to our enemies, namely China and Russia-- then why should we expect them to give Snowden up? To give their spy back? Why would they send that message to all their other agents? It's ridiculous to want it both ways. So by trumping up charges of espionage, the administration gives China and Russia less reason for them to send him back.
Certain areas in airports in some countries are considered international zones that are governed by international law, so Russia may have a legitimate legal excuse not to do our government's bidding. International law means little to the US, but other countries take it far more seriously. We're the only country that cups your balls if you want to fly over us.
What gets under my skin is when these idiots in the media claim to love that the information Snowden leaked it now out there, even agreeing that the government did wrong, but in the next breath call him a traitor. Then they say he should have voluntarily submitted to years of solitary confinement, denied exercise in his cell, and god knows what other abuses before seeing a secret courtroom, followed by life in prison or possibly a death sentence. Because Snowden didn't sacrifice enough already. Because it's all HIS fault the media has to do stories on his seeking asylum instead of covering the leaks, as if the media has no control over the stories they cover. Then they spout theories that Putin is copying all his notebook drives and getting all our secrets as if Snowden would tote around documents he wouldn't want leaked, or wouldn't know how to set up a simple Truecrupt volume.
Certain areas in airports in some countries are considered international zones that are governed by international law, so Russia may have a legitimate legal excuse not to do our government's bidding. International law means little to the US, but other countries take it far more seriously. We're the only country that cups your balls if you want to fly over us.
What gets under my skin is when these idiots in the media claim to love that the information Snowden leaked it now out there, even agreeing that the government did wrong, but in the next breath call him a traitor. Then they say he should have voluntarily submitted to years of solitary confinement, denied exercise in his cell, and god knows what other abuses before seeing a secret courtroom, followed by life in prison or possibly a death sentence. Because Snowden didn't sacrifice enough already. Because it's all HIS fault the media has to do stories on his seeking asylum instead of covering the leaks, as if the media has no control over the stories they cover. Then they spout theories that Putin is copying all his notebook drives and getting all our secrets as if Snowden would tote around documents he wouldn't want leaked, or wouldn't know how to set up a simple Truecrupt volume.
There was no pic of the body, but I trust the 6 members of Seal Team 6 to not lie about it.
Because while he may be 'doing the right thing', he has broken laws and there are consequences. Its no different than if you worked for a private company, you sign your agreements and if you break them, they can sue you for it, irregardless of the reasons why. It also doesn't help his case that he decided the best places to go hide and complain about government abuses are countries like Russia or China. That's like saying you think the government abuses it citizens, so your gonna go to Iran to get their perspective on the issue.
Anyway, its probably for the best that he decided to go to such lively places. Give him some perspective on the rest of the world for a bit.
Loser Araysar
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that's really bullshit when the government erects "laws" that are unfair just so it can protect its continued crimes against the American people, and then accuses you of breaking them when you call them out on it.
just because a law exist doesnt mean its just or right. "I was just following orders" didnt work for us when we tried people at Nuremberg, and it shouldnt work in our own country.
Snowden is an American hero.
just because a law exist doesnt mean its just or right. "I was just following orders" didnt work for us when we tried people at Nuremberg, and it shouldnt work in our own country.
Snowden is an American hero.
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