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Interesting theory, but I'm not sure that I agree with your interpretation. Republicans have been compromising with Democrats for a long time now (they're essentially Democrat-lite and have been for at least the last 20 years). The biggest problem with Republicans (as a party) is that they're quick to throw each other under the bus while Democrats are quick to circle the wagons.

I haven't completely figured out why there is such a huge disparity in loyalty between the parties, but I suspect it's because there are a hundred different interpretations of "conservative" and far, far fewer of liberal, or at least what it is to be a Democrat. I think that makes the [Democrat]causeeasier to get behind than the individual [Republican]. I call myself a conservative, but I find that I don't have many similar beliefs to many of the old-hat Republicans in Washington, so much so that I have (in the past) abstained from voting for members of my own party.
 
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Dandai_sl said:
Interesting theory, but I'm not sure that I agree with your interpretation. Republicans have been compromising with Democrats for a long time now (they're essentially Democrat-lite and have been for at least the last 20 years). The biggest problem with Republicans (as a party) is that they're quick to throw each other under the bus while Democrats are quick to circle the wagons.

I haven't completely figured out why there is such a huge disparity in loyalty between the parties, but I suspect it's because there are a hundred different interpretations of "conservative" and far, far fewer of liberal, or at least what it is to be a Democrat. I think that makes the [Democrat]causeeasier to get behind than the individual [Republican]. I call myself a conservative, but I find that I don't have many similar beliefs to many of the old-hat Republicans in Washington, so much so that I have (in the past) abstained from voting for members of my own party.
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ROFL. WAT?
 
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That's how states are supposed to work, they are laboratories and if it works other states copy if they don't they copy the successful states.
 
Vaclav

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Technically the 10th doesn't prevent them smearing shit on the petri dish but still doesn't make stupid choices like the half billion deficit suddenly make sense.
 
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You wrote the dumbest sentence I have heard all year. Thanks.
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So debunk the argument. What part of it is vastly incorrect? Currently Ann Coulter is beating you in the fact-checking department, since your argument is "that's dumb". Prove she is wrong bro.
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Easy. If the GOP obstruct on this they will lose important parts of the south eventually. Demographics are working against them regardless of immigration debate. Bro bro bro.

Btw, that doesn't even get into the feelings millennials have for the GOP and your dumb sentence.
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
That's how states are supposed to work, they are laboratories and if it works other states copy if they don't they copy the successful states.
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States are supposed to drive themselves from a 500M surplus to a 260M deficit hole in less than a year?
 
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Countries are supposed to run a few trillion dollar deficits? That's what the treasury under Obama is doing. And as a policy every liberal here defended deficit spending. And won me over boo austerity. In the end money is just a phantasy motivational tool, that requires faith.
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
Countries are supposed to run a few trillion dollar deficits? That's what the treasury under Obama is doing. And as a policy every liberal here defended deficit spending. And won me over boo austerity. In the end money is just a phantasy motivational tool, that requires faith.
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States arent countries.

States dont print their own currency or modulate their currency supply. Go gargle some more peroxide, retard.
 
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A) States aren't countries
B) Last I checked for all but two years - his starting year and one slight (by Fed standards) backslide the deficit has gone down under him annually. He's not doing it quickly but he's going the right direction - Brownback threw Kansas from highway speeds into R.
 
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Easy. If the GOP obstruct on this they will lose important parts of the south eventually. Demographics are working against them regardless of immigration debate. Bro bro bro.

Btw, that doesn't even get into the feelings millennials have for the GOP and your dumb sentence.
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Ehh I dunno.

- GOP will never get majority of Hispanic vote
- even if they did, Romney still could have had 80% of Hispanic vote and still lost
- by supporting immigration amnesty, they get minimal return on votes and also offend parts of their own conservative base, potentially losing votes overall
- large influx of immigrants potentially gives side effect downward pressure on wages in a time of already high unemployment (which many on both sides agree could be bad)
- there is a substantial segment of legal immigrants that realize the previous point, and are against amnesty because it creates more job competition

I'm undecided on the issue but overall, her logic (on this point at least) seems better supported than yours.
 
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Her argument on getting minimal votes from supporting immigration reform is because Democrats make fun of them and turn off immigrants from supporting the GOP. That is her argument. That is what you are supporting. As for a large influx of immigrants lowering wages you have to be joking since wages have been depressed anyway from the global financial collapse and the fact that it is easier to get cheap labour in emerging markets. I mean, did you even think about what you were advocating? Still the dumbest thing I have read all year. Congratulations on being a dumbass.
 
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They have a downward effect on wages regardless of their legality. They exist, they're employed, they're being paid very little, and our agricultural products are based around their low wages.
 
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Astral Projection_sl said:
Ehh I dunno.

- GOP will never get majority of Hispanic vote
- even if they did, Romney still could have had 80% of Hispanic vote and still lost
- by supporting immigration amnesty, they get minimal return on votes and also offend parts of their own conservative base, potentially losing votes overall
- large influx of immigrants potentially gives side effect downward pressure on wages in a time of already high unemployment (which many on both sides agree could be bad)
- there is a substantial segment of legal immigrants that realize the previous point, and are against amnesty because it creates more job competition

I'm undecided on the issue but overall, her logic (on this point at least) seems better supported than yours.
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Gee, I wonder what Republicans would really think if we broke up all illegal immigrants into 2 groups: Whites and non-Whites.

Something tells me they would be a lot less militant abut it when it comes to the former.
 
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States arent countries.
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no but it means they can borrow very cheap money if need be while they fuck around with their tax structure trying to get the income tax rate to 0 to compete with places like Texas and FLorida.

they aren't insolvent and won't be for years even under current conditions and conditions are constantly in flux, like I said america can print money if need be and lend it while the economy restructures itself.
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
no but it means they can borrow very cheap money if need be while they fuck around with their tax structure trying to get the income tax rate to 0 to compete with places like Texas and FLorida.

they aren't insolvent and won't be for years even under current conditions and conditions are constantly in flux, like I said america can print money if need be and lend it while the economy restructures itself.
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Goddamn you are fucking stupid.

First you assert that states like Kansas are experimenting with models to find what works when its clear they aren't experimenting with anything, they're just gutting the state. That's like me gutting my entire house roof to basement and leaving it as is to find out if my living conditions are going to improve in a building without running water, electricity, windows.

Second, you get even fucking dumber and compare states to countries. US government can make those deficit decisions because it can create money at will. A state cannot coin its currency. Then you go on to assert that it can borrow money very cheap. Illinois is about to borrow 2 billion dollars at 5%. That's not cheap money at all. Thirdly, I dont know what the point of your income tax statement is since Florida already has one of the highest corporate tax burdens in the country and Texas consistently ranks in the bottom half of the country (they are higher than average) when it comes to corporate taxes, sales taxes and property taxes.

In conclusion, kill yourself you fucking cretin because you have repeatedly proven that you are too fucking stupid to educate yourself.
 
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