The Zionists are whining thread

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fanaskin_sl said:

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Yup, and even with all those restrictions they've still managed to import countless rockets, and divert thousands of tons of cement to build fortified tunnels in which to hide munitions and kidnap Israelis, instead of you know-- building schools and government offices. If I was an Israeli, loosening border restrictions would be the last fucking thing on my mind. In fact, I'd be pretty fucking pissed that all sorts of shit I let through in good faith is now being used to try and fucking kill me.

The pallies had their chance to show they wanted to join civilization back in 2006 and be "un-occupied", but besides descending into immediate civil war when Israel withdrew, they also decided to destroy 15 million dollars worth of fucking greenhouses donated by American Jews so they could grow food. Must suck to be so filled with hate you'll destroy your sources of food just because they were given to you by your "enemy". If there's any "occupation" now, its because easing fucking restrictions only gets Israelis killed--Hamas has shown over and fucking over (and a lot of the Arab leaders now even agree) that all they care about is violence. There can be no Peace, because Hamas has no reason to EXIST in a state of peace. The whole reason for their existence is predicated on their "struggle and resistance" and the "elimination of Israel". Conflict with Israel also makes them millionaires and allows them to exploit and control their own people. But I guess that's all rational to you.

You ignore all historical precedence to embrace this "lala land" fantasy where if only Israel opened the floodgates and let everything through there would be peace, when in actuality there would be suicide bombings in Tel-Aviv within 24 hours.

I do remember reading about how the temple mount was being structurally undermined. Like it's gonna slip and fall down into a pile of holy rubble.

Edit: It was an actual thing, I didn't read it off The 700 Club's newsletter. It was a longer piece (years ago) that was explaining/examining the challenges and solutions in "municipal" shared government. Not an ideological rant either way. Nuts and bolts kind of stuff.

Barraco Bisi_sl said:

I have a question my for my Wakandanz.

Why hasn't Israel taken back Dome of the Rock?

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After 1967 when israel controlled jerusalem they returned control of the temple mount back to the waqf (who had managed it since the last crusade) as a gesture of peace and religious freedom. Most jews won't step foot on the temple mount anyway, since the exact location of the holy of holies is not known, so they avoid the entire thing.

If complete surrender by the Palestinians is the only end to this, then this will never end.

Is Hamas really losing anything? They get rockets and money from Iran or Qatar or who the fuck knows at this point. Israel goes apeshit and kills a bunch of Palestinians. Shit at the end of this whole fucking fiasco, tunnels will be rebuilt, more arms will be smuggled in, more rockets will be fired. But just the Israeli military killing 4 kids playing soccer on the beach made Hamas stronger. Never mind all the other shit. Its fucking Vietnam logic.

The longer Israel forces Gaza in a perpetual state of poverty and imprisonment, the more they will have to go in and kill. There will always be some people who hate Israel, but at the present time all those people pretty much have nothing to lose either. The USA is full of assholes, but the reason why most people dont do crazy shit or follow crazy people is because they are too busy pursuing their personal goals.

Like I said they are gripped in a death spiral. The more Hamas "resists", the harsher Israel responds, the stronger Hamas grows, the harsher Israel responds. Until Israel has completely lost its moral bearing, its support and finds itself more isolated than it has ever been. Its a reverse Gandhi. Netanayhu is the perfect patsy for this because he responds so predictably, like the retarded kid at school who used to go berserk if you said certain words, so people would constantly say those words.

You gotta feel bad for the average Palestinian.

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Tuco_sl said:

I think the strategy is to continue this trend:

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The Palestinian goal, I say goal cause it's not a strategy, is to reverse that trend and make it what it was. Despite the fact that they lost in the past and their tactics back then didn't work, and despite the fact that they are losing in the present and the newer tactics don't work. People don't regress into a more civilized humble state of mind, they double down and go full burn the forest mode. Calling it terrorism cheapens what actual terrorism is. This is simply hate by a continually losing enemy who can only engage in guerrilla warfare and a futile PR campaign.

Honestly, I think conditional surrender would be enough.

The condition of "stop shooting rockets at us"

The people ordering the rockets fired and paying for them are not losing. They are doing pretty dank well tyvm.

Hamas leadership is being bankrolled by billionaires and the billionaires are playing broader regional political games. Nobody is actually concerned with winning anything.

The Palestinian strategy is one that defines insanity. Try the same ineffective tactics over and over and over and expect different results. It actually transcends insanity, because besides being ineffective at achieving what they want, it actually gets them killed in the process and incites the Israelis to tighten the thumbscrews even more. If I was an Israeli, after this round of bullshit calms down, I wouldn't let one pound of cement into Gaza that I couldn't verify would be used for peaceful purposes.

But is it really insanity is the question? Does Palestinian leadership really *believe* after all these years that they'll wipe Israel off the map? Do they really believe at this point, after years of aggression, that they still have a hope at "winning"? The fact of the matter is that they don't, and that's really secondary-- the leadership of Gaza NEEDS Israel not only to have a reason to "exist", but aggression with Israel makes them rich. For Hamas, these conflagrations every few years is their equivalent of a fundraising campaign. Get money from sympathetic arab nations, get money from the UN, get money from the US, and of course get a shit-ton of money from your own war-torn people as you impose huge taxes on goods. Every time Israel puts a stranglehold on the border due to Hamas aggression, Hamas gets richer.

And of course Iannis is right. For those that have a myopic view of historical precedence and think that Israel requires nothing but "complete surrender", then you really need to look at history. There is long standing peace with both Egypt and Jordan that only finally came about after they got repeatedly faceraped after attacking Israel and they realized they had no hope of winning militarily. The West Bank stopped getting air-striked when they stopped launching rockets. I'm sure Hamas has come to the same conclusion, but why would they want peace when that means half their organization is out of a job and the other half actually have to get responsible work if they want to maintain their millionaire status?

fanaskin_sl said:

do you understand that Hamas is broke lost it's sugar daddy in iran and can't pay their civil workers?

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Maybe they should ask their 1000 militant millionaires and billionaire leader, Khaled, to dip into their own pockets?