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Few things about this chart. One it seems like it is only tracking from 2012. The second is it is from The Jerusalem fund which is a pro Palestine organization. For example they said this
Yousef Munayyer, executive director of the Jerusalem Fund, says the claim that Palestinians use civilians as human shields is a myth, and also racist.

On MSNBC, he responded to a clip of a spokesperson for Netanyahu, who said that Hamas urged its citizens to stay in combat areas despite warnings from Israel.

"It's unfortunate we can hear Israeli spokespeople who are speaking on behalf of a military force that is inflicting massive civilian casualties on the ground stand here in front of your viewers and essentially blame the victims for their own deaths," he said. "I think there's something fundamentally wrong and, in fact, racist about that argument."
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I don't find it to be to credible. Hence the short nature of the chart versus the long nature of the conflict.
 
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no the chart is for a specific period if you actually read it, it's from a time period from the conflict in the recent past, that doesn't discount anything. it is a credible institution and those are legitimate criticisms of the way palestinians are covered. the stats seem correct you just don't want them to be.
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
no the chart is for a specific period if you actually read it, it's from a time period from the conflict in the recent past, that doesn't discount anything. it is a credible institution and those are legitimate criticisms of the way palestinians are covered. the stats seem correct you just don't want them to be.
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You completely missed the point. They took a small snapshot and you are using it to paint a broad brush. We could do the same and show where Israel is purely the victim. Hence my comments and your complete inability to absorb information.
 
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Chanur_sl said:
You completely missed the point. They took a small snapshot and you are using it to paint a broad brush. We could do the same and show where Israel is purely the victim. Hence my comments and your complete inability to absorb information.
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you know that's bullshit, charting the actions between the two parties during a 54 week ceasefire isn't "selective sampling" it's showing you what they did during that period, which is pretty recent and relevant.
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
you know that's bullshit, charting the actions between the two parties during a 54 week ceasefire isn't "selective sampling" it's showing you what they did during that period, which is pretty recent and relevant.
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Well the totals are completely off for starters. Do some fucking research. You might as well trot out Hamas statements as proof.
 
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readings hard

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It's also total nonsense, what does the y-axis actually mean? According to that chart there have been about 40 rocket launches total. Um.....no.
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A few notes on the data;first, we refer to "projectiles" because there are different types of projectiles that are deployed, not all are "rockets" and thus "rockets" alone, the preferred parlance of the Israeli state, isn't an accurate descriptor.Additionally, we are not focusing on each individual piece of ordinance but rather on events. So if one projectile is launched or two are launched together, these are the same event.Likewise, we don't count each individual piece of ordinance Israel deploys in an airstrike wherein it routinely drops several bombs in a singular event.If we did, the number of Israeli violations would surely be much, much higher. For example, the Israeli human rights group B'tselem,citing the Israeli Shin Bet, notes that nearly 14,000 projectiles were fired from Gaza from 2005 to 2013. UN OCHA noted that Israel fired about the same number of artillery shells into Gaza......in 2006 alone
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Chanur_sl said:
Well the totals are completely off for starters. Do some fucking research. You might as well trot out Hamas statements as proof.
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what specifically is wrong with the totals, if you read what the methodology is first before dismissing it out of hand?
 
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Considering that Hamas' main strategy with the rocket attacks is trying to overwhelm Iron Dome by launching as many rockets at once as possible, this methodology is suspect at best.
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considering that israel fires way more things into palestine than vice versa and that's undebatable I don't see how your position is logical. it's not a point of contention that israel uses overwhelming firepower and is backed by america who gives them many many toys to play with.

you might be confusing news coverage with reality, if you go purely by news coverage then I can easily see how you can come to your perception.
 
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Why are you listing data from 2006 when your precious chart only shows 2012?

Not to mention there was about 2500 rockets and mortors fired from Gaza into Israel. You can point the blame all you want but the numbers do not bear it out.
 
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All these violations in the chart are from this place.:: Maan News Agency ::.

Ma'an Network is the largest independent TV, radio and online media group in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. It also broadcasts regionally via the Ma'an-Mix satellite channel.


Seems legit.
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
considering that israel fires way more things into palestine than vice versa and that's undebatable I don't see how your position is logical. it's not a point of contention that israel uses overwhelming firepower and is backed by america who gives them many many toys to play with.

you might be confusing news coverage with reality, if you go purely by news coverage then I can easily see how you can come to your perception.
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There's nothing wrong with overwhelming firepower. You're not supposed to play nice with your enemies.

Israel's war crimes mostly involve collective punishment, the punishment of family members of criminals/terrorists, and illegal land seizure. Attacking/bombing the Gaza Strip in response to rocket fire is totally legitimate even if civilians are killed.

The thing about war crimes is they don't magically become OK just because the other side does something bad. This applies to both Israel and Hamas, which is why both sides are basically morally bankrupt. Collective punishment as a response to rocket attacks is not acceptable, and neither is the reverse.
 
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Xequecal_sl said:
There's nothing wrong with overwhelming firepower. You're not supposed to play nice with your enemies.

Israel's war crimes mostly involve collective punishment, the punishment of family members of criminals/terrorists, and illegal land seizure. Attacking/bombing the Gaza Strip in response to rocket fire is totally legitimate even if civilians are killed.

The thing about war crimes is they don't magically become OK just because the other side does something bad. This applies to both Israel and Hamas, which is why both sides are basically morally bankrupt. Collective punishment as a response to rocket attacks is not acceptable, and neither is the reverse.
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I totally agree. With out the blockade though I think Hamas would be firing a lot better weapons than their mostly shitty rockets.
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fanaskin_sl said:
they are currently reporting the same number of dead as any other news agency is wouldn't obvious bias show like inflated numbers or something?
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All those incidents when googled all go back to that same news agency as the source. I'm sorry but im not going to take the word of some news agency in the Gaza Strip that claims to be independent. It's as unbiased as IDF press releases.
 
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