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khalid

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The fuck , ok a question for you in the same manner. Hell this goess for any of you. How would Bush Jr handle this if he was the leader of Hamas.
Well, considering that Hamas shows completely zero restraint, I don't see how he could possibly be worse than Hamas. In fact, I'm guessing he would handle it alot better than the current leadership of Hamas. He certainly couldn't do worse.
 
Well, considering that Hamas shows completely zero restraint, I don't see how he could possibly be worse than Hamas. In fact, I'm guessing he would handle it alot better than the current leadership of Hamas. He certainly couldn't do worse.
Great , now how is it that the IDF is showing restraint in murdering Palestinians. By clearly having full view of the area and knowing full well they will kill many civilians to take out a tunnel or a cache of rockets or a launcher because there sure as fuck wont be any Hamas fighters in that area because they will launch them and bolt the fuck out. Why cant you seem to understand this , why cant you grasp the fact that those human shields you speak of are people that just happen to be there unknowingly and unwillingly being used as such. If Hamas does this purposely , then why does Israel do it purposely to attack these areas with said civilians. This is the point many people try to drive home and you all just cant seem to accept they are no better then Hamas and have 0 fucking Moral high ground in this just as much as Hamas.
 

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Great , now how is it that the IDF is showing restraint in murdering Palestinians. By clearly having full view of the area and knowing full well they will kill many civilians to take out a tunnel or a cache of rockets or a launcher because there sure as fuck wont be any Hamas fighters in that area because they will launch them and bolt the fuck out. Why cant you seem to understand this , why cant you grasp the fact that those human shields you speak of are people that just happen to be there unknowingly and unwillingly being used as such. If Hamas does this purposely , then why does Israel do it purposely to attack these areas with said civilians. This is the point many people try to drive home and you all just cant seem to accept they are no better then Hamas and have 0 fucking Moral high ground in this just as much as Hamas.
Whats Israel's alternative? Just leave the rockets there to fire again later?
 

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Whats Israel's alternative? Just leave the rockets there to fire again later?
As opposed to killing hundreds of civs. You know, which is implied to be the better alternative because no one will miss those muslim rats
 

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They're pretty bad at it if that is what they are trying to do.
1400 dead civs in a week indicates that they are extremely good at it. How many civs has Hamas killed so far?
 

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How many do you think they could kill in a month if they were trying?
I dont know why you guys indulge in hypotheticals so much. You beg for facts and proof only to veer away all the time into some fantasy land of what-ifs, as if you are afraid to confront reality.

fact: Hamas has killed 3 civs
fact: israel has killed 1400+ civs
fact: hamas has primarily focused on attacking IDF soldiers
fact: IDF has primarily focused on attacking palestine civilians as per their Dahiya doctrine
 

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Arayser still seems confused as he keeps defending the terrorist organization known as Hamas. You are on the wrong side, bud. Pack it up and go home. Where terrorists don't try to send rockets at you every day and kidnap your children from secret terrorist tunnels.
 

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Im not defending anyone, I dislike Hamas as much as Israel.

I'm just pointing out how stupid you are by trying to paint Israel as someone who has a higher moral ground. Both of you are human shield using, civilian killing scum.
 

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Im not defending anyone, I dislike Hamas as much as Israel.

I'm just pointing out how stupid you are by trying to paint Israel as someone who has a higher moral ground. Both of you are human shield using, civilian killing scum.
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I dont know why you guys indulge in hypotheticals so much. You beg for facts and proof only to veer away all the time into some fantasy land of what-ifs, as if you are afraid to confront reality.

fact: Hamas has killed 3 civs
fact: israel has killed 1400+ civs
fact: hamas has primarily focused on attacking IDF soldiers
fact: IDF has primarily focused on attacking palestine civilians as per their Dahiya doctrine
Do you really have such a deluded, simplistic view of the situation? Every Hamas rocket is aimed at civilians. Even now, with the IDF sitting both inside and outside Gaza, their rockets are all being fired at Israeli civilian populations. You create yourself this moral illusion based on body count, discounting the ultimate intentions of either party. Hamas doesn't care about civilians, Israeli or their own. Hamas doesn't give a shit about anything except money, political legitimacy with the Arab Big Boys, spreading their version of Islam, and killing Jews. Hamas knows that if they'd stop firing rockets Palestinians would stop dying, but they don't care, because body count gives them legitimacy and the moral high ground, especially when none of the victims are portrayed as anything but a civilian.

Here's last night' speech from Hamas TV:

Hamas TV: Every Muslim mother - YouTube


We are not afraid of Martyrdom. Not long ago, you cried out loud: 'Death for Allah is our most exalted wish!' (Muslim Brotherhood slogan) You received the death you wanted. We have no problem with death. We are not like the children of Israel: 'And you will surely find them the most greedy of people for life.' (Quran) Whereas we yearn for death and Martyrdom... Every mother - especially the mothers in Palestine, but every mother in the [Islamic] Nation, not just Palestine - must nurse her children on hatred of the sons of Zion. We hate them and they are our enemies. We will plant this in their [our children?s] souls, so that a new generation will grow among us, which will erase them from the face of the earth."
 

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Do you really have such a deluded, simplistic view of the situation? Every Hamas rocket is aimed at civilians. Even now, with the IDF sitting both inside and outside Gaza, their rockets are all being fired at Israeli civilian populations. You create yourself this moral illusion based on body count, discounting the ultimate intentions of either party. Hamas doesn't care about civilians, Israeli or their own. Hamas doesn't give a shit about anything except money, political legitimacy with the Arab Big Boys, spreading their version of Islam, and killing Jews. Hamas knows that if they'd stop firing rockets Palestinians would stop dying, but they don't care, because body count gives them legitimacy and the moral high ground, especially when none of the victims are portrayed as anything but a civilian.

Here's last night' speech from Hamas TV:

Hamas TV: Every Muslim mother - YouTube
Its amusing that when the Jews were forced to live in an open air prison that they finally rebelled in (Warsaw Ghetto Uprising) no one called them terrorists. With the Palestinians in Gaza being in identical situation, the Zionists can't call them terrorists fast enough. The persecuted have become the persecutors, its amazing that they are too blind to see this. Keep believing that Israel is better than Hamas. It's not. Both of them use human shields, target civilians and conduct these attacks to keep themselves in power. Likud and Hamas are just 2 sides of the same coin.
 
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Pretty cool article about thetech and funding in the conflict:

"The Israel ? Hamas conflict in Gaza is not only about bombs, missiles, bullets, but also about cyberwarfare, battles of the mind over social media, smart underground tunnels and cloud-based missile launching systems. The tunnels that Hamas has dug deep beneath Gaza are embedded with high tech gadgets, courtesy of Qatar, which has funded Hamas with billions to equipped their tunnels with intelligent sensors which are networked to control centers enabling the command and control staff to quickly notify operatives nearby that IDF units are advancing inside a certain tunnel, allowing for rapid deployment of attack units and the setting up of bobby traps inside the tunnel."

"In addition, Hamas has automated its rocket firing system using networked, cloud-based launching software provided by Qatar which can set off a rocket from any distance, and set them to go off at a specific time, using timers. "Anyone who thinks they have dozens of people sitting next to launchers firing rockets each time there is a barrage is mistaken," said Aviad Dadon, a senior cyber-security adviser at several Israeli government ministries. While Doha is allowing Hamas to use its technology to fight Israel, it's their own cyber-security the leaders of Qatar are worried about. For the Qataris, the war between Israel and Hamas is a proving ground to see how their investments in cyber systems have paid of ? Qatar is very worried that one of its Gulf rivals ? specifically Saudi Arabia ? will use technology to attack it, and Qatar spends a great deal of money each year on shoring up its cyber-technology."
This shit sounds like a corp-war straight out of Shadowrun.

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Its amusing that when the Jews were forced to live in an open air prison that they finally rebelled in (Warsaw Ghetto Uprising) no one called them terrorists. With the Palestinians in Gaza being in identical situation, the Zionists can't call them terrorists fast enough.
I know you're trolling but I'm going to illustrate why this is fucking dumb just in case some retard here latches on to it.

The rebellion in the Warsaw Ghetto, which Ary is claiming is "the exact same" (And so had the same conditions), only happenedAFTERthe Jews learned the camps they were being deported to were extermination camps. The Jews specifically did NOT violently resist the SS directives, despite thousands dying from malnutrition (83,000 people starved), and a total liquidation of any private holdings, as well as widespread, direct,enslavement(Which theypeacefullycapitulated to.) ONLY when the Jews in the Ghetto realized that many people being deported were being systematically gassed to death, did they decide to fight back. Once they decided, the "resistance" was put down in a single month, after 14,000 deaths, and an additional 40k sent to labor camps (Which also mostly died). By comparison, the total German casualties were ALL either Police, or Soldiers, and the total losses were around150(I believe)--however, none of these losses were German civilians,none. In addition, obviously, due to the war there was a complete media black out.

Warsaw Ghetto Initial Population:420,000
Population after 4 years: 120,000 (100k survived the Labor camps, 20k hid inside the Ghetto)
Number of dead in 4 years:300,000 (83,000 of Starvation before the systemic killings began)--At least half the population was dead before the first "resistance" flamed up.
Number of Germans killed:150Number of Civilians:0Number of Children:0

Obviously that is the same as a ghetto where the sum total of death in20 yearssits right around 8k (Depending on who you believe 4-5k of which are non-combatants; I'm using a B'tselem, so it's definitely on the high end). By contrast, the number of Israelis killed is 1500, about half being civilians (700), and 10% being children (150). In addition, Israel provides thousands of tons of food and medical aid (Literally thousands of tons); and has strict measures in place to make sure Gaza does not starve. As of yet, there has been no widespread malnutrition. Also, reporters can go to Gaza, as well as observers.

Population of Gaza (2000):1.13 Million.
Population of Gaza (2011):1.6 Million (Higher annual growth than their opressors. In addition, infant mortality is down and total life expectancy in the last 20 years has risen from from 69, to 73)
Total Deaths in 20 years:8,000
Number of Israelis killed:1500Number of Civilians:700Number of Children:150

How can you even compare that to Palestine? Lets not forget, the two original wars; as well as the resistance movement up until rather recently, was mainly to reclaim lost land. It's only recently that the conflict has been about broader implications (Like freedom of movement ect); but before then, Palestine did use violence to achieve the goal of JUST reconciling dispossession (Which is fine, I'd kill someone who took my house too). The Jews did NOT use violence even in face of starvation, dispossession and enslavement. Calling the two comparable is stupid. Up until 43, the Jews in that ghetto were amazing pacifists considering what they went through. You can't say that about Palestinians, at all (And nor should they be, they had a reason to fight)

And now for some anecdotal hyperbole of my own!

Gaza:
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Warsaw:
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Obviously, the situations are the same! Silly jews in that ghetto; fuckers should have just went to the beach! Instead they starved like idiots out of spite, obviously. (And yes, the pictures are very anecdotal; I know there are plenty of images of dead Palestinian children to flash, so please don't bother. The point is, I doubt you could find any picture of the Warsaw Ghetto after starvation set inwithoutemaciated people; which obviously illustrates a very different kind of effect the German "prison" had. Meanwhile, you CAN find that in Gaza; because outside of thefighting, most of the citizens are NOT dying; for fuck sake their lifespan is nearly as long as ours. Again, none of that justifies Israel's actions, but the differences between circumstances are HUGE.)