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The Zionists are whining thread
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nah, Zionist is pretty accurate. That's why the word Zionist is used, and not Jew or Israeli. Those denote a religion and a nationality. Zionism denotes an ideology.
fanaskin
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Cinge
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True, but people who say anti-Palestinian or pro-Israeli anything are labeled instantly as a zionist, just the same as anyone who says anti-israel gets labeled a antisemitic. Not calling the two the same, but more of the behavior of labeling.
I can denounce the things hamas does or the things Palestinian people do and not give two fucks about jewish movements or their causes. The same on the other side, I denounce things israel does or their people and could care less about their religion or what they believe in.
Phazael
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Its the first play in the book for defending Israel. They even called Jon Stewart an anti-Semite for being critical of Israel at one point.
And just so we are clear, I (as a German) have nothing against Jewish people. Israel, however, are a bunch of fuckers who do not hesitate to screw their allies for personal gain. They have spied on us for the soviets, attacked our troops, and engaged in an information media war of manipulation to lobby our government to their designs. The last part is particularly egregious, because the same idiot conservatives who are all for supporting Israel (because they want all the Jews there to get the rapture going asap, lol) would freak the fuck out if someone like China had the same degree if influence over our government, let alone flaunted it so brazenly. And really, most of my contempt for Israel comes from hearing American Jews complain about the bullshit they are pulling, because frankly the news just whitewashes everything Israel does.
I honestly am not very sympathetic Palestinians in the Gaza situation and agree that they have instigated a lot of the shit that lead to the present situation. But at some point, I expect a people who milk Holocaust guilt like it was Brad reciting his EQ1 resume to hold themselves to a higher moral standard, especially when they have such a clear tactical advantage. But they (Israel) are not interested in being better people. They want to be the bully and live up to every stereotype and criticism that has been levied at them over the decades. They want to sit in lawn chairs and cheer while their troops bomb the shit out of a people who are already all but conquered. And everyone lets them get away with it, because of a combination of guilt and them learning to game the system.
And just so we are clear, I (as a German) have nothing against Jewish people. Israel, however, are a bunch of fuckers who do not hesitate to screw their allies for personal gain. They have spied on us for the soviets, attacked our troops, and engaged in an information media war of manipulation to lobby our government to their designs. The last part is particularly egregious, because the same idiot conservatives who are all for supporting Israel (because they want all the Jews there to get the rapture going asap, lol) would freak the fuck out if someone like China had the same degree if influence over our government, let alone flaunted it so brazenly. And really, most of my contempt for Israel comes from hearing American Jews complain about the bullshit they are pulling, because frankly the news just whitewashes everything Israel does.
I honestly am not very sympathetic Palestinians in the Gaza situation and agree that they have instigated a lot of the shit that lead to the present situation. But at some point, I expect a people who milk Holocaust guilt like it was Brad reciting his EQ1 resume to hold themselves to a higher moral standard, especially when they have such a clear tactical advantage. But they (Israel) are not interested in being better people. They want to be the bully and live up to every stereotype and criticism that has been levied at them over the decades. They want to sit in lawn chairs and cheer while their troops bomb the shit out of a people who are already all but conquered. And everyone lets them get away with it, because of a combination of guilt and them learning to game the system.
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What we're seeing is that when it comes to the schools/hospitals, the IDF is either incompetent or Hamas/IJ are targeting civilian locations intentionally, just like their littlehandbookencourages. Even their own operating guide states that Israel avoids firing on civilian areas.. Of course nobody knows the truth, because it's not like Gaza has freedom of the press or is allowing 3rd parties to access the sites. An estimated 25% of the rockets they fire fall in Gaza, and all their weapons are unguided, yet if you base your death stats on what Hamas provides, not a single Palestinian has been injured by Hamas mortar or rocket fire within Gaza. Amazing! Then of course, you Hamas firing from civilian locations to intentionally create casualties, like this gem from today:Damning Video: Indian TV Appears to Catch Hamas Red-Handed Outside Its Hotel | Video | TheBlaze.com
Hamas can basically claim anything concerning death statistics and who fired on what within Gaza, and the burden of prove then lies on Israel to prove them wrong. I posted these yesterday, and since you seem to be an editor for Jane's, maybe you can debunk this guy's analysis. There is of course IDF evidence that points to all attacks being Hamas initiated (except for the motorcyclist outside the Un school), but I wanted to find something 3rd party.
Hamas targeted the UN school at Jabalia - Thomas Wictor
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I'm confused why there is even guilt. The only people who should feel any amount of guilt are the Germans or anyone else who actually took part or supported that atrocity. Why should me a American feel guilty? I didn't approve, have any knowledge of or involvement in that event. Yes it was horrible, but I don't get why the rest of the world besides the perpetrators have some need to make up for something they didn't do. It's very weird to me. Help at the time? Of course. But don't help out of some non-existent guilt nor let that perpetuate endlessly.
@ Above. If true, it just makes the situation even more dangerous(the video). What do you do? Hell if I was living there and someone fired a rocket from nearby me, my ass would be gone thinking a strike on that same area has to be imminent. Too bad its too dangerous to really be a independent journalist in that area, both sides want you to show a certain angle and if you don't you are probably removed.
@ Above. If true, it just makes the situation even more dangerous(the video). What do you do? Hell if I was living there and someone fired a rocket from nearby me, my ass would be gone thinking a strike on that same area has to be imminent. Too bad its too dangerous to really be a independent journalist in that area, both sides want you to show a certain angle and if you don't you are probably removed.
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Phazael
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Anti-Semitism was a real big thing in the early 20th century, world wide. No one really gave a fuck about the Nazis crushing the Jewish people (or the Russians), because EVERYONE hated them at that time. Then all the shit involving the Holocaust got out and people felt pretty shitty about looking the other way for so long. They rode this guilt train all the way into a hunk of Arab land being carved out for them (thanks UK for that one), but honestly a lot of people didn't want the Jews in Europe in any large numbers, anyhow. A group of them had established a reputation for preying on the weak from the days of Versailles crippling the Germans on through the depression and the entire people got associated with this carpet bagger minority. Hell, the US more or less knew something was going on over there but did not make it any kind of priority during WW2.
So in short, a handful of greedy fucks gave the entire people (who had no one unified nationality) a bad name and everyone pretty much hated them collectively for it. Then when the Final Solution shit became public knowledge, people felt really guilty for a long time and it has been consistently held up as something never to allow to happen again, so its ingrained in western culture to near religious status. Except it is a standard we apply selectively (Rwanda? sorry not white people) (Romanian Gypsies? No one gives a shit about any of you either) and seemingly only to make hyperbole.
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There's nothing to film in Israel right now except people hanging out in bomb shelters/safe rooms, the tunnels, and Iron Dome intercepting incoming rockets. You can report on what you want in Israel, whether the government likes it or not, just like the US. All the action is in Gaza, and the only narrative is what Hamas wants you to see. Israeli journalists are not allowed in Gaza either. It's an asymmetrical media war where one side gets to control information, while the other side is under constant scrutiny via democracy and freedom of the press.
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So the Holocaust was all really the fault of a few jews in the end, huh?
Yeah, had nothing to do with centuries of christian religions painting them as christ killers and made-up bullshit like the blood libel. I mean, are you fucking for real here? Yet you had the gall to complain people might call you anti-semetic?
Yeah, had nothing to do with centuries of christian religions painting them as christ killers and made-up bullshit like the blood libel. I mean, are you fucking for real here? Yet you had the gall to complain people might call you anti-semetic?
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Not to be a zionistfag, but Gaza is 110 km2 larger than Brooklyn.
I'm a geographyfag
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I am sure it did. But as I am an atheist I could care less who stoked the fires of anti-Semitism prior to the 20th century as the question I was answering was specifically about Holocaust guilt. I was specifically saying that the entire Jewish people were getting raged on more than normal because a few greedy men were putting the screws to Europe, post WW1. Is any of that false? Whatever made-up storybook theist bullshit that Christians used to fuck over the Jews has precisely dick to do with anything going on in the Middle East in the last two centuries. Frankly, if you want to go that far back, then yeah fuck the Christians for getting the ball rolling on all of this bullshit in the first place by starting the Crusades.
I sure as fuck am not excusing what happened to the Jews under the Nazis, but it is worth pointing out that we don't have a Romanian Gypsy lobby in America and they took it even harder from the Nazis than the Jews did. But its pretty much a given that a major reason Israel gets away with a lot of the shit they pull is because of Holocaust guilt.
Phazael
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Just because someone hates Israel does not mean they hate the Jews. Those are two separate and distinct things, with overlaps, though Israel most certainly likes to pretend otherwise. If I say I hate Saudi Arabia does that mean I hate all Arabs everywhere?
Fun Fact: The Saudis pull a lot of the same lobbying and manipulation shit Israel does. They were the point of origin for most of the 9-11 attackers, including Bin Laden. I pretty much hate them for the same reasons I despise Israel.
