fanaskin
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didn't they occupy the whole thing and have colonies there until very recently?
The Zionists are whining thread
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khalid
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So because Hamas is shooting rockets from near hospitals and civilian areas, the Israeli's should be really stupid and naive and do ground sweeps in an urban area?
I mean, lets be honest here. If they did that, the instant some mistaken shots happened you would complain that if they were "really serious, they would be using tear gas and pepper spray instead of guns". Why don't you talk more about how the Holocaust was caused by a few greedy jews.
Frenzied Wombat
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The "Pallywood" phenomenon has been around for quite some time, and I'm really not sure why it never really makes the mainstream media despite the damning evidence and the sensational nature. My only guess is that since the reality is only exposed after the initial reporting, news outlets don't want to publish an embarrassing retraction after the fact. Unfortunately, Pallywood goes beyond the simple macabre exaggeration of death, it also contrives situations that intentionally injure Palestinians for media benefit. Like thisgemwhere the orchestrators contrived a situation that would involve a Pally kid being run over, in order to paint a picture that an Israeli civ intentionally ran him down after "coming home from praying at the mosque". There's even further evidence that Hamas intentionally fires on their own civilian areas to create these orchestrated death scenes, like the analysis I posted the other day concerning the UNSchooland Shijaiyamarket.
As for entering densely populated areas on foot to confront terrorists disguised as civilians, who have no qualms firing from sympathetic civilian positions-- that would be idiotic and suicidal. No military on earth would do that.
As for entering densely populated areas on foot to confront terrorists disguised as civilians, who have no qualms firing from sympathetic civilian positions-- that would be idiotic and suicidal. No military on earth would do that.
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The IDF doing sweeps of urban areas would undoubtedly result in a higher civilian casualty rate. It's not like a sweep would involve Palestinians peacefully leaving their homes/businesses, letting the IDF in, then the Hamas operatives inside would peacefully raise their hands and the IDF would calmly cart them away to Jewtanamo. The IDF would sweep through an area, think it had Hamas operatives inside it (from aerial footage, informants etc) and no-knock warrant them with rifles. Just look at how the US did it in Baghdad where any building suspected of harboring resistance was turned into swiss cheese and rubble before soldiers would approach.
No, the current strategy is sound. Retaliate to the rocket attacks by creating a buffer zone where nobody is allowed to be, push them into an even denser area, then blockade the boundary of that buffer zone and integrate it into your country. It's a land war one mile at a time.
No, the current strategy is sound. Retaliate to the rocket attacks by creating a buffer zone where nobody is allowed to be, push them into an even denser area, then blockade the boundary of that buffer zone and integrate it into your country. It's a land war one mile at a time.
iannis
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There are multiple proposals for some other entity to oversee the demilitarization of Hamas. Hopefully one of them can work out some exact terms because I think that would help. Anything that inhibits the interaction from degenerating into open warfare as soon as everyone restocks their explosives. With a neutral broker, the embargo could be eased in stages and gradually rescinded and this would further mitigate the more reasonable justifications for violence.
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Frenzied Wombat
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Interested or willing to help carry it out? If it's the former than pretty much most of the Western world. If it's the latter, than nobody, because they know their soldiers are just going to get caught in the same shitstorm they're currently condemning. I'm sure the Israelis would be more than happy to roll out the red carpet for anybody willing to try though..
Frenzied Wombat
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Really? Please explain to me how each side benefits from continuing the Gaza war. Do a little compare and contrast for me. BTW, there is currently another unconditional 72 hour cease fire on the table from Israel, which Hamas is currently refusing. They're set to start firing rockets again at 8am tomorrow. I guess they figure they have the Israelis on the ropes now.
Canada would probably be a bad choice, as their government is even more pro-Israel and anti-hamas than the US is, by a long shot. They've already dropped all UNWRA funding in light of the "Jihad school" report I posted earlier.
iannis
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Yeah, that's a difficult proposition when you start to think about what it entails. Because lets be real here, it's not like Hamas is going to consent to being demilitarized.
I don't have any real hope that anything will come of it. But I do think that it's the best idea out there when all ideas are fundamentally impractical.
I don't have any real hope that anything will come of it. But I do think that it's the best idea out there when all ideas are fundamentally impractical.
To answer that directly, me saying this came from a report I heard on the BBC last night. There are 3 of this type of proposal being floated around. One from a handful of european nations, one directly from America, and one from America/Germany/Britain/France. So yeah... basically "The West". It's diplomats earning their pay, writing up agreements that will probably never be signed. But if you don't try...
Cad
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I shouldn't act surprised by this, but jesus. Thats some fucked up repugnant shit right there.
OneofOne
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And protestors do the same shit here and everywhere else, only we actually prosecute you if you run over people.
(Which is not to say I agree - I think if you physically block my car you deserve what you get. But I realize I'm in the minority here, so don't get pissy for them doing what we do)
(Which is not to say I agree - I think if you physically block my car you deserve what you get. But I realize I'm in the minority here, so don't get pissy for them doing what we do)
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So to be a little ostentatious, the only people interested in demilitarizing Hamas are not the people involved in the situation?
Israel gets land. Hamas stays in power and gets fed money from outside Arab sources. Outside Arab sources have a reason to globally shake their finger at Israel.Wombat_sl said:
Who suffers? The Palestinian and Israeli people. Along with the western world who gets to hear how terrible it is for Palestinians (while not hearing about shit like the ISIS starving out people on mountains).
Cad
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Bullshit we do, if you ambush and jump in front of a car like that throwing rocks and they plow over you, think you'll get prosecuted? Now put that in context where people get beheaded on video for worshipping the wrong god.
But like any decent person, the israeli actually slowed down. I would have hit the gas.
Frenzied Wombat
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That buffer zone is useless beyond a military operational standpoint, it will never be appropriated as Israeli land or used for "homesteads" as you mentioned previously. Israel has millions of dollars invested in the wall BEHIND that buffer zone and wouldn't be able to protect an area so close to the rest of Gaza. Iron Jew Dome would be useless in that area because rocket trajectory would be too low for it to work, and it would be within range of constant mortar fire. Holding that area costs money due to ongoing military presence yet generates them zero income in return. These days, when Israel wants land, they pop up another settlement near the west bank. Now if you want to argue that they hold that buffer zone as some sort of collective punishment, that would be feasible, but holding it doesn't benefit Israel in any material way beyond security for its troops. Costs them money and PR if anything..
iannis
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I think that's probably fair to say. It's also fair though to observe that the ability is there IF the political will were there.
The war -could- be stopped. It's just going to cost a lot to do it, and it won't satisfy anyone.
But I would also say that Israel has a pretty clear interest in demilitarizing Hamas and I'm sure that any agreement/enforcement along those lines would satisfy themmorethan the Nation of Islam.
But again, if you predicate an argument for continual warfare on "the welfare and dignity of the palestinian people" I don't see how you can be self-consistent and argue against intervention.
OneofOne
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They didn't ambush the car - they were clearly blocking the road. Now, they did move around to make sure the car couldn't pass by them - but protestors and paparazzi do the exact same thing.
And the "decent" Israeli kept right on going after he hit the kid - that's a hit and run isn't it?
(Again, I agree with you, I'd have hit the gas too, but I'm simply putting this in context of what already occurs even in America. They do it for different reasons than our asshats, but they are all basically doing the same thing)