The Zionists are whining thread
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Abefroman
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It's temporary based on a common enemy or financial game. The cultures are just not compatible because of religion. Just look back at the cold war, I don't ever remember hating the Russian people. It was always communism that was the divide. Tjese people actually hate each other without the need of government to draw lines.
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Yeah maybe. Maybe in a few months Israel will back away from this buffer zone and hold at their walls. I guess we'll see in a year if Israel doesn't start poaching some of the less populated land and start building settlements on it.
I have a good friend of mine that is a far right christian type. He sent me this video today as some sort of justification of shelling schools. I'm no pacifist, but how can people be so willfully ignorant?
Gaza School Attack Now Appears To Be Staged | Israel Video Network
Gaza School Attack Now Appears To Be Staged | Israel Video Network
It doesn't matter if they put the dead kid on a float and had a parade, it's still a dead kid as a result of IDF shelling. Saying that they arranged the bodies for a photo doesn't change that.
khalid
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Yep, it was pretty horrible. However, it was a horrific accident. What is also horrific is shooting rockets next to civilians in the hopes that the IDF will try and retaliate and accidentally hit children. It is also horrific to move kid's bodies around to make it look even worse.
Is it really accidental if you shell a school and hit a kid? Gaza is the most population dense area in the world because of the continued concentration of Palestinians. There no areas that rockets can be fired from that are far away from civilians.
That's a stupid idea. Maybe they could set up terrorist only zones that give a safety buffer from schools and hospitals where the rockets could be fired from that would be just far enough away to allow retaliatory strikes?
khalid
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Sure.
The point is, as long as Hamas launches rockets near civilians, the Israeli's really don't have a choice. As has already been pointed out in the last few pages, doing ground sweeps for them would cause far more civilian casualties. Asking the Israeli's to just allow rockets to hit them without any retaliation is silly.
Well, here is the real choice: bomb schools and hospitals and continue to shift the tide of public opinion toward the Palestinians OR shoot rockets out of the sky with the Iron Dome, take the occasional stray hit, and appear to be the victims. Really what we are seeing is that Israel has banked enough PR points to make another land grab. Once it is over, farming the PR starts again.
Lithose
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Gaza is not the most population dense area in the world. There are at least a dozen cities far more dense than the strip; that's just a factoid thrown around to reinforce the "open air prison" narrative (Ironically, Tel Aviv is more densely populated; which is where some rockets land)--there are plenty of spaces in Gaza that are "open"; here is a Sat photo of thestrip.See all that area north of the city? Very large open tracts of land both north and south Jibaliya. The north part is important, because that STILL allows the Palestinians to launch into most Israeli cities if they desired, from a completely unpopulated section of the strip (Or, at least, mostly filled with open fields and farms). Instead, the VAST majority of rocket fire; over 90%, happens right in the heart of the most densely populated region, of the most densely populated section of the strip, Jibaliya.
There is no "reason" Hamas HAS to fire rockets next to civilians, EXCEPT the fact that rockets from an open field would garner too quick a reaction from Israeli drones, the rocket attacks would be far less effective. But the whole "most populace place on earth" is just silly. It doesn't even make the top ten. (The reason Gaza's population is a problem is NOT due to it's size, it's perfectly manageable. The problem is construction and modern civil engineering systems are difficult to build due to the economic hardship from the Blockade and the immense poverty.)
Also, the school wasn't "shelled"--the guided mini-ordinance (Not a shell) struck outside the school. The "crater" this left was about the size of a quarter, because the shell used was an anti-personnel rocket specially designed (By the U.S.) for use in urban centers. The bodies were drug inside the school AFTER the fact. This, btw, is why they don't fire from the fields or open areas, because Israel has the capability to kill people with damage that doesn't really extend beyond 10 meters of the impact site; if they are in an open field, Israel would have a laughably easy time killing them without harming anyone else (And that's not the goal--hell, the goal of the rockets isn't even to actuallydodamage, Hamas knows their rockets are junk and the Iron Dome will stop most damage. The goal is to illicit retaliation, nothing more.)
Now I'm not sure if that girl was killed by the rocket; you ARE right that it doesn't matter whether she was placed there or not, if she was killed, it's horrible. But the rest of the factoids are just skewed. There is absolutely, 100%, no reason for launching rockets from civilian centers; except, obviously, the PR spin you can jump on after words. Which as I showed in my last post, is set up specifically BEFORE the attacks happen, so they can record the Israeli retaliation in case civilians are killed.
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The Iron Dome munitions cost around 50k per interception. Hamas rockets cost about 800$ to launch. How sustainable do you believe that is? We just had quite a few pages of Americans calling Israel "leeches" because we help pay for the Iron Dome munitions. Despite the fact that we are actually benefiting from the Tech by combining advances into our own systems; and Israel has contracts with Raydon and a few other contractors to develop more systems for the U.S. military. The irony is that this is the one place where Israel doesn't really "leech" from us, because we get such huge benefits from it's testing/advances in interception, especially because we are relying on it to keep our super-carriers relevant in an age of drones and superior long range missiles. So it's actually REALLY beneficial for us to invest in this tech in any area where it has actual field use to prove itself, but even here, it's a fight to get the funding.
Your strategy would literally break the country, eventually, especially if we remove our 10-15% contribution to their defense budget. I know, it sucks to rationalize things with money; but it's a factor. Especially when one of Hamas' goals have been to overwhelm the Iron Dome financially (I'll try to dig up the quote). The fact is, the Iron Dome is a system meant to be a last line of defense--not a sole defense. (Hopefully if we can make a break through in directed energy interception, this won't be a problem anymore.)
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Why doesn't Israel just steamroll them again? I mean, it'd be over before anyone could really do anything about it right? Are they still trying to claim the moral high ground or have we said 'DONT U DARE LULZ' or something? I don't follow enough of that part of the world to be on the up and up as to why they keep taking shit from Gaza.
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This wasn't what happened, though. Ironically, Israel was probably following your advice. They were not targeting a launch "site" but rather they had tracked people who set the rocket up, probably with a drone (Which they've been using now specifically to avoid having to retaliate to launch sites). Then dropped an anti-personnel guided missile on them. The guys were on a motorcycle though, so I imagine what happened is that between the tracking, and the order and the firing of the missile--they moved from wherever they began, to in front of the school. There was a crowd in front of the gates of the school buying sweets; and you know the rest.
You can make of that what you will. Still plenty of blame to be tossed at Israel but it wasn't as simple as they fired on a school because rockets were launched from there (As you can see with the hotel, when Israel is going to take out a site--they even call people to warn them. This was not them hitting a launch site, they were following two men specifically and fucked up. I still think they are to blame, personally BUT it wasn't as clear cut as choosing whether or not to bomb a school.)