War with Syria

Erronius · Sep 6, 2013

fanaskin_sl said:
if everyone had a gun piggy would still be better off because then it would be equal, instead of an automatic loss for piggy.

THE GREAT EQUALIZER

If every one is "equal" with guns, then weren't they "equal" when no one had guns?

I mean, he DID have a shell after all

fanaskin · Sep 6, 2013

Erronius_sl said:
If every one is "equal" with guns, then weren't they "equal" when no one had guns?

No because people aren't born with equal ability

hence

"God created man, Sam Colt made them equal."

fanaskin · Sep 6, 2013

I already like this new pope x10 better than benedictus

Syria: Pope warns Barack Obama that military strike would be 'futile'

The Pope wrote in a letter, delivered to Vladimir Putin but addressed to all the G20 leaders meeting: "To the leaders present, to each and every one, I make a heartfelt appeal for them to help find ways to overcome the conflicting positions and to lay aside the futile pursuit of a military solution."

He added: "Rather, let there be a renewed commitment to seek, with courage and determination, a peaceful solution through dialogue and negotiation of the parties, unanimously supported by the international community.
"Moreover, all governments have the moral duty to do everything possible to ensure humanitarian assistance to those suffering because of the conflict, both within and beyond the country's borders."

The widespread killings in Syria had spiralled due to a lack of interest from the world, he said. "It is regrettable that, from the very beginning of the conflict in Syria, one-sided interests have prevailed and in fact hindered the search for a solution that would have avoided the senseless massacre now unfolding."

Erronius · Sep 6, 2013

fanaskin_sl said:
No because people aren't born with equal ability

hence

"God created man, Sam Colt made them equal."

Putting a gun in the hands of a boy who is half-blind and is on a mission to demand the return of his eyeglasses makes things equal? Is someone else going to spot for him and tell him"ok, more to the right...yeah, now up a bit..."?

Not to mention that in the story Piggy expected to reason with them, and he didn't expect A FUCKING ROCK to fall from above and entirely encave his skull. So go ahead, give everyone guns - he simply would have taken a bullet to the skull with no warning instead of a boulder.

fanaskin · Sep 6, 2013

there's no guarantee's in life erronious, it's funny you didn't take home a central message of that book, that society is somewhat an illusion

The central concern of Lord of the Fliesis the conflict between two competing impulses that exist within all human beings: the instinct to live by rules, act peacefully, follow moral commands, and value the good of the group against the instinct to gratify one's immediate desires, act violently to obtain supremacy over others, and enforce one's will.

Order and chaos exist at the same time in the heart of man, safety and security can be taken away from you at a moments notice like getting stranded on an island.

Are you claiming he had a BETTER chance at living without a gun? cause he clearly was intimidated the whole book and died to a fucking rock without one.

and piggy is you, you are piggy arguing that diplomacy and words will win out in the end, and you would get crushed by a rock the same as piggy.

wormie · Sep 6, 2013

fanaskin_sl said:
there's no guarantee's in life erronious, it's funny you didn't take home a central message of that book, that society is somewhat an illusion, safety and security can be taken away from you at a moments notice like getting stranded on an island. are you claiming he had a BETTER chance at living without a gun? cause he clearly was intimidated the whole book and died to a fucking rock without one.

and piggy is you, you are piggy arguing that diplomacy and words will win out in the end, and you would get crushed by a rock the same as piggy.

Only one claiming some bullshit here is you. If everyone had a fucking gun, piggy would not have been better off and would have still died. You claiming that a gun would have helped somehow is fucking retarded.

Silence_sl · Sep 6, 2013

Erronius_sl said:
If every one is "equal" with guns, then weren't they "equal" when no one had guns?

I mean, he DID have a shell after all

One man with a gun, but no bullets. One man with bullets, but no gun. Yet another man with a conch shell.

Who is more equal?

fanaskin · Sep 6, 2013

wormie_sl said:
Only one claiming some bullshit here is you. If everyone had a fucking gun, piggy would not have been better off and would have still died. You claiming that a gun would have helped somehow is fucking retarded.

no it's not and you're not correct.

it's pretty simple

here are the most likely outcomes by scenario

Tanoomba · Sep 6, 2013

fanaskin_sl said:
the whole problem piggy had was he didn't have a gun.

That, and Piggy was near-sighted. That means the lenses of his glasses were concave (which curve inward) and not convex (which curve outward). Concave lenses do not concentrate the sun's rays, they disperse them. A crucial plot element was based on alie.

Erronius_sl said:
Not to mention that in the story Piggy expected to reason with them, and he didn't expect A FUCKING ROCK to fall from above and entirely encave his skull. So go ahead, give everyone guns - he simply would have taken a bullet to the skull with no warning instead of a boulder.

Ummm... Spoiler Alert?

Besides, isn't this all addressed inBattle Royale?

Erronius · Sep 6, 2013

fanaskin_sl said:
safety and security can be taken away from you at a moments notice

Well so can one's life, and in the case of Piggy, with no notice. Which is the point really - Piggy could have had an AT4 in his hands and it wouldn't have made a difference, he still took a rock to the skull with no warning.

fanaskin_sl said:
Are you claiming he had a BETTER chance at living without a gun?

He would have had the same chance with or without a gun - pretty close to zero.

What he could have used was a helmet, but I don't hear you talking about everyone being forced to wear helmets.

fanaskin_sl said:
and piggy is you, you are piggy arguing that diplomacy and words will win out in the end, and you would get crushed by a rock the same as piggy.

LOLWUT

I'm just pointing out that his chances would have been the same either way, nothing would have been "equalized" by everyone having had guns.

Also lol at you and your pic

Erronius · Sep 6, 2013

Tanoomba_sl said:
Ummm... Spoiler Alert?

I amNOTgoing to worry about spoiling a book that was published in 1954. Also:

chaos_sl said:
God dammit, go read Lord of the Flies right now.

wormie · Sep 6, 2013

fanaskin_sl said:
no it's not and you're not correct.

it's pretty simple

here are the most likely outcomes by scenario

Where is the outcome where he gets shot in the face even faster than getting his head smashed in with a rock?

fanaskin · Sep 6, 2013

I feel satisfied I won my points. the counter points listed where pedantic and wholly unsatisfying.

Erronius · Sep 6, 2013

fanaskin_sl said:
I feel satisfied I won my points. the counter points listed where wholly unsatisfying.

Translation: you realize that you can't win, so you are simply going to declare yourself the winner, turn tail and run.

Also, calling counterpoints pedantic simply so you can dismiss them with a wave of the hand doesn't mean that you won anything, so editing your post simply to add that was somewhat pointless. I will, however, except your surrender.

fanaskin · Sep 6, 2013

Nobody wins vs stubborn mules.

Erronius · Sep 6, 2013

Purposely being stubborn and refusing to budge on any issue doesn't make you right, it just makes you a Republican.

fanaskin · Sep 6, 2013

hate and contempt for your fellow man is something democrats do.

I'd rather empower my fellow man so he could help himself.

fanaskin · Sep 6, 2013

This is why it's important not to be a weak blubbering vagina and have power erronious, if you don't have force the strong (America) will bully the weak (Syria,Iraq,Afghanistan,Libya)

Syria: Russia will stand by Assad over any US strikes, warns Putin

Si vis pacem, para bellum
If you want peace, prepare for war

chthonic-anemos · Sep 6, 2013

Think of how much safer we would be if all Syrians had their arms amputated.

fanaskin · Sep 6, 2013

and rocks, piggy would have been safe if there where no rocks.

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