War with Syria
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hopefully we'll never find out, but i'm getting the impression that the intent is to attack infrastructure & military assets only. perhaps what Kerry was implying? 50 drones just wreak havoc on literal structures & ground weapons only.. the presidential palace etc.
hodj
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Wasn't that what Bush and Co said about the Shock and Awe campaign? That it would wipe out their infrastructure and military assets and harm no one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_and_awe
Maybe I'm interpreting the statements by the Bush administration wrongly though.
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Kerry has more or less imploded on this, and it's the administration's fault for A: opening the door in the first place and B: handing him a shit sandwich of a plan.
The best, most face-saving plan of attack at this point would be to accept Assad's handover of the weapons. He called our bluff, so the only thing to do now is to remove it from the equation. Deal in good faith, and then in six months or a year when it becomes obvious that Assad is hiding weapons, go back to the well. There is nothing to be gained from further posturing now.
The best, most face-saving plan of attack at this point would be to accept Assad's handover of the weapons. He called our bluff, so the only thing to do now is to remove it from the equation. Deal in good faith, and then in six months or a year when it becomes obvious that Assad is hiding weapons, go back to the well. There is nothing to be gained from further posturing now.
I think you're perfectly interpreting the statement, but I don't know if Bush ever took such an obvious hard stance against deploying soldiers.
If Obama were to then put "boots on the ground" i'm not joking or exaggerating when i say that would be an impeachable offense. absolutely 100%
If Obama were to then put "boots on the ground" i'm not joking or exaggerating when i say that would be an impeachable offense. absolutely 100%
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Interesting, related article about presidential war powers and Congress.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/comme...,7351566.story
and another, even better one illustrating the Administrations calculus.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...-legal/279298/
Also I think it's pretty clear at this point that the cold war never ended. Russia has just been vicariously aggressive using their middle eastern pawns for 4 decades.
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I would love the LA Times to cite us the clause in the Constitution that says if Congress refuses to vote on a war bill, that they lose the authority to make the decision.
Pretty sure an outright refusal by the House and Senate to take up the bill is the functional equivalent of them voting unanimously no on said bill.
Lol the first two comments at the Atlantic link:
Let's play a game
Just pretend this is 2003 instead of 2013 and read those comments again and tell me what it makes you feel.
i bet its rage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...d_the_Iraq_War
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The country doesn't want war, forget parties, it is however sickening seeing this coming from Obama.
hodj
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Definitely not trying to bring up parties, fuck parties, just pointing out how easily manipulated people are, that just 10 years later we're completely disregarding the lessons learned from the last go round.
Its like our government has figured out if it just waits a decade, it can run the exact same lies by everyone and no one will notice.
Its like our government has figured out if it just waits a decade, it can run the exact same lies by everyone and no one will notice.
There's this inherent fuck-all to the system where they can't tell us EXACTLY what the military course of action would be; therefore we cannot support the course of action.
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It amazes me on how the group of us, who are so often at each others throats so badly on opposite sides on every issue are all essentially unified over this. It is a bit creepy honestly.
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The more I think about this, the more sad it gets. Not the Syria thing specifically. I mean what's going on there is horrific, everyone knows that. I just mean the Obama Presidency. He started with so much promise. On everything from foreign relations, to fixing the economy/healthcare/immigration, to race relations in the US. It was across the board. And yet, near as I can tell, he's been an abject failure in just about everything he's tried to do. Other than maybe Libya, that seems to have turned out not too bad, although you could make the argument that he was just following France and Britain's lead for the most part while providing the real military muscle. Domestic policy wise maybe there's been some other moderate wins, I don't know. History will be the true judge on that I guess.
His entire approach to Syria has been completely fucking bungled. I mean what the fuck? How inept and indecisive can your foreign policy be? The Russians must be laughing their fucking asses off at how poorly this has been handled. And I'm not even talking about his desire to attack. I'm on record here as saying that there should be a forceful response to Assad's use of chemical weapons. But jesus fucking christ, if you are going to attack, then just fucking go ahead and do it. This is a complete cluster fuck.
What a massive, massive disappointment Obama has turned out to be, at least to this point and without the benefit of hindsight.
His entire approach to Syria has been completely fucking bungled. I mean what the fuck? How inept and indecisive can your foreign policy be? The Russians must be laughing their fucking asses off at how poorly this has been handled. And I'm not even talking about his desire to attack. I'm on record here as saying that there should be a forceful response to Assad's use of chemical weapons. But jesus fucking christ, if you are going to attack, then just fucking go ahead and do it. This is a complete cluster fuck.
What a massive, massive disappointment Obama has turned out to be, at least to this point and without the benefit of hindsight.
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Yep, even if you are someone that dislikes Obama, you surely shouldn't be happy about this. At this point, regardless of how it works out, it has hurt the US overseas. Obama and Kerry have managed to make us look like a complete laughingstock. Kerry should be forced to resign in disgrace after this if nothing else. Uggh.
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Why anyone who was against Iraq should be against Syria...
How the fuck can Obama and Kerry push this with a straight face is beyond me.
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I was happy with his foreign policy decisions during his first term. This Syria shit is fucking bonkers, though. It's becoming embarrassing to me.
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Like most false prophets, Obama was really sold to everyone on a false bill of goods. There was nothing in his background to justify the heaps of praise he got laid at his feet. He was demonstrably better a candidate than McCain (out of touch, old, not very bright) and Romney (fake, egotistical, terminally blind to his own flaws, obscenely out of touch due to wealth) and in that regards, he was always the right choice in the past two election (if you weren't writing in Ralph Nader, which you should have, except you Eomer, you're Canadian and don't count) but a lot of the Golden Boy motiff he was given was just pure media driven propaganda.
I hate our media because they are really the most responsible for
1. The too high expectations Obama could never possibly live up to
2. The false narrative that simply electing one person could solve all the nation's problems
Both of which have completely undermined Obama's credibility on a host of issues and allowed Republicans to fight him tooth and nail when in other times and other administrations they would have go along at least to some degree with what the administration had as its agenda. Look at Clinton, they fought tooth and nail on lots of things, but they helped him pass lots of domestic legislation and even the impeachment scandal ended up making them look weak and incompetent, rather than overall hurting Clinton.
Dude got a fucking Nobel Peace Prize in his first month in office ffs.
If you just think about the narrative here, that the guy who came into office decrying fighting useless wars in the Middle East over nonexistant or non threatening so called weapons of mass destruction and was handed a Nobel Peace Prize for the quote "promise of his presidency" is now having his administration out there trying to sell a useless war in the Middle East over nonexistant or non threatening so called weapons of mass destruction, I mean when you really think about it, that has to be one of the most destructive things for a person's political image that can ever happen, short of being caught with a dead girl or a live boy.
I hate our media because they are really the most responsible for
1. The too high expectations Obama could never possibly live up to
2. The false narrative that simply electing one person could solve all the nation's problems
Both of which have completely undermined Obama's credibility on a host of issues and allowed Republicans to fight him tooth and nail when in other times and other administrations they would have go along at least to some degree with what the administration had as its agenda. Look at Clinton, they fought tooth and nail on lots of things, but they helped him pass lots of domestic legislation and even the impeachment scandal ended up making them look weak and incompetent, rather than overall hurting Clinton.
Dude got a fucking Nobel Peace Prize in his first month in office ffs.
If you just think about the narrative here, that the guy who came into office decrying fighting useless wars in the Middle East over nonexistant or non threatening so called weapons of mass destruction and was handed a Nobel Peace Prize for the quote "promise of his presidency" is now having his administration out there trying to sell a useless war in the Middle East over nonexistant or non threatening so called weapons of mass destruction, I mean when you really think about it, that has to be one of the most destructive things for a person's political image that can ever happen, short of being caught with a dead girl or a live boy.