War with Syria
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Loser Araysar
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Assad has support of most of his country and reformed the Syrian constitution from a one party Baath system, to a multi-party system.
Assad has done more pro-democratic reforms for his country than American presidents done for ours in last 20 years
Assad has done more pro-democratic reforms for his country than American presidents done for ours in last 20 years
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Loser Araysar
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Syria:
According to previous Syrian constitution of 1973 Syria was a form of single-party state in which only one political party, the Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party was legally allowed to hold effective power. Although minor parties were allowed, they were legally required to accept the leadership of the dominant party. The presidential candidate was appointed by the parliament, on suggestion of the Baath Party, and needed to be confirmed for a seven-year term in a national single-candidate referendum. The most recent presidential referendum took place in 2007.The new Syrian constitution of 2012, approved in popular referendum, introduced multi-party system without guaranted leadership of any political party.[1] In a new article 88, it introduced presidential elections and limited the term of office for the president to seven years with a maximum of one re-election.
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Duly following in America's footsteps.
Aaron
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If you'd have bothered to read the very next sentence then I list four prominent democratically elected Western Statesmen. There are many more. A statesman can be a dictator, but he can also be democratically elected, just as a dictator can be weak and ineffectual, just like democratically elected politicians. Here are a few more democratically elected people who I consider high ranking statesmen, in that they dramatically changed the course their nation was on (be it for good or for bad):
Churchill, UK, won the war
Attlee, UK, oversaw the reconstruction of the UK and the creation of the NHS
Thatcher, UK, dramatically changed the country's economy
Roosvelt, USA, won the war
Kennedy, USA, was shot, so he must have been doing something right
Nixon, USA, took the US of the Gold standard and created the Petrodollar
de Gaulle, France, created the 5th Republic, fostered European integration and all but withdrew out of NATO
Adenauer, Germany, rebuilt Germany
Again, these are just off the top of my head, there are many more, both in the USA and elsewhere. Some are international statesmen, in that they shape the future of the globe, not just their countries, but some are "smaller", in that they just shape the destinies of their countries, and sometimes just their local communities, and for those that live in democracies, they do it within the framework of democracy. Sure, they're rare, and that's my point, they seem to have become all but extinct here in the west.
As for your remark on the Chemical weapons, surely it's better to give them a chance than to just go ahead and bomb them anyway - especially since it was the US that first proposed this!
Aaron
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It's no wonder many people, even on these boards, have probably never heard of the new Syrian constitution, as well as a plethora of other reforms Assad has done, as they were mostly not reported in the Western media. The reported findings of both Western and Qatari based public polls indicating that Assad has a majority backing in Syria have also not been reported. Why? Because it would break the illusion that the entire Syrian population were in a popular revolution against a brutal dictator, instead of him being a reforming president that is defending his country from an invading army of mercenaries.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ern-propaganda
TrollfaceDeux
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From complete authoritarian to slight reforms. Still significant, like the Turks.
Loser Araysar
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Indeed. People think that Assad is just another tinpot dictator in the style of Saddam or King Saud who traded in a military uniform or a thawab for a Saville Row suit. It's the narrative that the Western media is pushing now. But actually he's one of the more honest reformers that ME has ever seen.
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Assad has the majority support in Syria the last polls I saw
I think you underestimate the fact that most Syrians don't like al Qaeda coming into Syria killing them, taking over their houses And neighborhoods to asymmetrically attack their sons and relatives in the army.
Most Syrians back President Assad, but you'd never know from western media
Loser Araysar
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That link is from January 2012 and claims 55% support for Assad. Here's one from May 2013:
http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/05/...rts-and-minds/
Up to 70% support now, with only 10% support for the rebels.
LONDON - After two years of civil war, support for the regime of
Syrian President Bashar Assad was said to have sharply increased.
NATO has been studying data that told of a sharp rise in support for
Assad. The data, compiled by Western-sponsored activists and organizations,
showed that a majority of Syrians were alarmed by the Al Qaida takeover of
the Sunni revolt and preferred to return to Assad, Middle East Newsline reported.
A Syrian man waves his national flag bearing the image of President Bashar Assad. /Marwan Naamani/AFP/Getty Images
A man waves the Syrian flag bearing the image of President Bashar Assad. /Marwan Naamani/AFP/Getty Images
"The people are sick of the war and hate the jihadists more than Assad,"
a Western source familiar with the data said. "Assad is winning the war
mostly because the people are cooperating with him against the rebels."
The data, relayed to NATO over the last month, asserted that 70 percent
of Syrians support the Assad regime. Another 20 percent were deemed neutral and the remaining 10 percent expressed support for the rebels.
The sources said no formal polling was taken in Syria, racked by two
years of civil war in which 90,000 people were reported killed. They said
the data came from a range of activists and independent organizations that
were working in Syria, particularly in relief efforts.
TrollfaceDeux
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Assad has the support of nearly all minorities in Syria, being that Assad is also part of that minority.
EDIT: also, Jews control media.
EDIT: also, Jews control media.
