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Ossoi

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Ossoi you really need to stop man. Boosting protein intake is neither easier, nor more practical than boosting fat intake like you are claiming. And why isn't using olive oil as a dressing on a salad or cooking chicken breast in olive oil "filling" enough? Eat some cheese, snack on some nuts, how is that impractical?
Because you're substituting calories from actual solid food for liquid calories from the olive oil. Am I the only one that finds chewing and swallowing and digesting solid food more satisfying than non solid food, WELL FUCK ME CART ME OFF TO THE RICKSHAW FOR THAT!
 

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Because you're substituting calories from actual solid food for liquid calories from the olive oil. Am I the only one that finds chewing and swallowing and digesting solid food more satisfying than non solid food, WELL FUCK ME CART ME OFF TO THE RICKSHAW FOR THAT!
It's impossible to talk to you. Nobody is suggesting drinking olive oil as a substitute. We are suggesting to dress veggies or cook them in fats like butter and olive oil, which millions of people do every day. It increases your fat intake, gets you to your calorie mark and does in fact help satiate hunger.
 

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Chicken and Bacon by themselves could easily be worked for the % he is wanting. Cooked bacon has about the same protein and fat on weight basis (so it has more fat cals than protein cals). Add a couple TBSPs of Peanut or Almond butter for sweets/adjustments. Eating only chicken and bacon should make shopping and prep a breeze. All that saturated fat should help lube your arteries, too, so they don't get clogged with any carbs you accidentally ingest.
 

Ossoi

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It's impossible to talk to you. Nobody is suggesting drinking olive oil as a substitute. We are suggesting to dress veggies or cook them in fats like butter and olive oil, which millions of people do every day. It increases your fat intake, gets you to your calorie mark and does in fact help satiate hunger.
I cook all my food in coconut oil, organic butter or olive oil every day. I never bothered to log it on myfitnesspal when I started logging everything so have never bothered to start. My point stands that 300g of animal protein will keep you full and is more satisfying than 165g of animal protein and olive oil.

40g of brazil nuts, 690g chicken thigh skinless fillets and 1x200g avocado comes in at 2021 calories, 5g carbs, 141g fat and 178g protein. If anyone says that sounds more delicious, appetising and filling than 920g of chicken breast, 25g of cashew nuts and a 225 sirloin steak to get 2032 calories, 70g of fat and 346g of protein then you're lying
 

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Those all sound pretty boring unless I know how you're preparing and seasoning them. Can I get some caramelized onions on my steak? Or maybe some hotel butter? Can I make a guacamole from the avocado? Maybe a pesto from the cashews? No wonder you're so ornery, you've taken the fun out of eating.

Also, you should definitely log your cooking fats, that's not insignificant.
 

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You guys are missing the point, it's much more practical and easier (in my experience of 9 months of weight training/dieting and preparing every meal the night before) to cook 920g of chicken breast
This is where you lost me. Fuck eating a kg of chicken breast everyday. If you're dieting and you can enjoy your kg of chicken breasts then good on you. But that's a diet that most people will fall off after about 4 days, and I love a well cooked chicken breast.
 

Ossoi

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Also, you should definitely log your cooking fats, that's not insignificant.
Well I have a decent idea of what my maintenance calorie level is without including cooking oils so can't be bothered to start logging them now
 

Ossoi

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This is where you lost me. Fuck eating a kg of chicken breast everyday. If you're dieting and you can enjoy your kg of chicken breasts then good on you. But that's a diet that most people will fall off after about 4 days, and I love a well cooked chicken breast.
I rotate with skinless chicken thighs or salmon fillets or kg of beef/lamb/pork/veal/turkey mince, but obviously the fattier the meat then the less I have to eat. I used chicken breast as the example as because it's so lean and low in calories compared to the thighs or salmon or mince then I also have enough room to eat a steak in the evening
 

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Even though I used to lift almost daily, I'm getting back into it and going to start with a starting strength 5x5 program. Anyone have good results with it? Is it the right place to restart my lifting?

Edit: And also, is it a good starting point for women, or is there a better one?
I did Starting Strength as described in the book (5x3) and had ridiculously amazing results with it. It works great for women too.

My personal opinion is to just do the program in the book, and not one of the modified versions.
 

Tuco

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I rotate with skinless chicken thighs or salmon fillets or kg of beef/lamb/pork/veal/turkey mince, but obviously the fattier the meat then the less I have to eat. I used chicken breast as the example as because it's so lean and low in calories compared to the thighs or salmon or mince then I also have enough room to eat a steak in the evening
Yeah well, anyone who can follow that diet can pretty much follow any reasonable diet and lose weight.
 

Ossoi

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Yeah well, anyone who can follow that diet can pretty much follow any reasonable diet and lose weight.
That's not the subject being debated though is it, the point is that a high protein/low carb diet allows you to put more food on your plate than a high fat/low carb diet. More food = more filling = less hunger = more chance of success
 

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^ Seconded for Starting Strength. Yes works great for women as well.

I rotate with skinless chicken thighs or salmon fillets or kg of beef/lamb/pork/veal/turkey mince, but obviously the fattier the meat then the less I have to eat. I used chicken breast as the example as because it's so lean and low in calories compared to the thighs or salmon or mince then I also have enough room to eat a steak in the evening
Why skinless out of curiosity? Not considered a good source of fat?
 

Ossoi

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Why skinless out of curiosity? Not considered a good source of fat?
My food options are determined what's readily available to me, eg sometimes I can get 460g packs of salmon fillets for ?5. 2 of them and that's my meat for the next day sorted. Skinless thighs with the bones removed cost something like ?5 for 920g. I eat skin chicken thighs sometimes, it just depends on my mood
 

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Even though I used to lift almost daily, I'm getting back into it and going to start with a starting strength 5x5 program. Anyone have good results with it? Is it the right place to restart my lifting?

Edit: And also, is it a good starting point for women, or is there a better one?
I did Stronglifts 5x5 for a couple months last summer and it was pretty awesome. Even though you've lifted in the past, I would suggest starting with extremely light weight (maybe even just the bar) no matter which program you do.
 

Denaut

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Both. He put out the book and the DVDs.

The book is insanely, ridiculously, detailed. It's pretty big and the bulk of it describes only 5 lifts.
 

Tuco

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That's not the subject being debated though is it, the point is that a high protein/low carb diet allows you to put more food on your plate than a high fat/low carb diet. More food = more filling = less hunger = more chance of success
Oh that's your guys' dumb ass argument? lol. No wonder you two are so muddled in shit. You're missing the ball completely.

Protip: It's up to individual preference to determine what = more chance of success. Even if an average were to favor the equivalent of eating 8 chicken breasts everyday an individual should try different things to determine what works for them. Arguing whether one feels more full from 100calories of fat vs 100calories of protein is a waste of time. Especially since it's superceded by eating more fiber!
 

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I did the chicken breast/brown rice/brocoli 3-4 times a day diet for about 6 months. I hated chicken so much after that, but I did get pretty shredded. I also rotated in steak tips for variety once in awhile (bought 45 pounds one week and froze some). It sucks, but I had this delusion that I was going to be ultra-mega-ripped. I got in pretty awesome shape, but I probably wouldn't do it again.
 

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I did the chicken breast/brown rice/brocoli 3-4 times a day diet for about 6 months. I hated chicken so much after that, but I did get pretty shredded. I also rotated in steak tips for variety once in awhile (bought 45 pounds one week and froze some). It sucks, but I had this delusion that I was going to be ultra-mega-ripped. I got in pretty awesome shape, but I probably wouldn't do it again.
Yeah. This is why I decided that I have to just eat normal shit, of course my goal isn't to be super ripped either so that helps. I would so much rather learn to eat normal shit, or relearn I guess, in such a way that I don't gain weight rather than have to cook multiple meals for my family and everything that goes along with that, and end up hating whatever I am eating.