Weight Loss Thread

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Weigle et al's results clearly showed that protein is more satiating than is fat, and previous studies have shown that protein is more satiating than is carbohydrate (4).Moreover, diets with a fat content fixed at 30% of calories produce more weight loss when high in protein (25% of energy) than when normal in protein (12% of energy)ZING!9.4 compared with 5.9 kg after 6 mo; after 1 y, evidence was found to suggest that the high-protein diet, independent of the loss of total body fat, resulted in a significant loss of visceral fat (5).
 
Ossoi

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Rickshaw me if you want, I've just posted a scientific study that backs up everything I've been arguing in the last 24 hours
 
Khane

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Your recommendation:

346g of protein, 70g of fat. That's 83.17% protein and 16.83% fat. You had almost no carbs in your example

What I said was 177.5g of protein, 133.5g of fat, with a substantial amount more carbs than yours, probably 35g of carbs. That's 51.3% protein, 38.5% fat, 10% carbs, which is a lot closer to what that study you just linked finds and recommends.

So, congrats on agreeing with me?
 
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nate_sl said:
Even though I've lost about 10 lbs., I'm still hungry all the time. I eat a small breakfast (500 cals, all protein) then have some sort of snack (200 cal) every 1.5 hours until lunch, which is a salad (400 cals?), 2 or 3 afternoon snacks, then a large post workout dinner (1000 cals). I'm still losing weight just by cutting basically all carbs sans a single potato and a couple pieces of whole wheat toast.
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How is your fat intake? Common problem for people doing a low carb is not enough fat. They're good on getting enough brotein and cutting carbs but not eating "good" fat. Olive/coconut oil, avocado, nuts, seeds, animal fats, butter, eggs etc.
 
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I've found that drinking large amounts of milk (1/3 of a gallon or so a day) helps keep me full. Much more than constantly drinking water, at least. I drink water between meals, but with every meal I have at least 1 or 2 glasses of milk.
 
Itlan

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The Master_sl said:
Have you ever tried a keto diet? Or any high fat, medium protein, low carb diet?
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Yeah, I've done high fat diet where I wasn't eating any carbs except vegetables and fruits. I just ate fruit and veggies all fucking day cause I was still hungry lol.
 
Khane

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Itlan_sl said:
Yeah, I've done high fat diet where I wasn't eating any carbs except vegetables and fruits. I just ate fruit and veggies all fucking day cause I was still hungry lol.
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That isn't low carb though Itlan. Especially if you are eating a large amount of fruit.
 
Ossoi

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Khane_sl said:
Your recommendation:

346g of protein, 70g of fat. That's 83.17% protein and 16.83% fat. You had almost no carbs in your example

What I said was 177.5g of protein, 133.5g of fat, with a substantial amount more carbs than yours, probably 35g of carbs. That's 51.3% protein, 38.5% fat, 10% carbs, which is a lot closer to what that study you just linked finds and recommends.

So, congrats on agreeing with me?
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It's irrelevant because I never said I was trying to stick to the diet recommended in the study, that's just a study that backs up my point that protein fills you for longer than carbs/fats.

p.s Myfitnesspal piechart breaks 25g of cashew, 920g chicken breast and 225g sirloin as 67% protein 31% fat, so learn to math instead of "MMMMM PIE" everytime your teacher said piechart <---- JOKE
 
Itlan

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Khane_sl said:
That isn't low carb though Itlan. Especially if you are eating a large amount of fruit.
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My point was I ended up snacking cause I was just so fucking hungry without carbs. Even eating absurd amounts of almonds and cashews didn't help. I'm just consistently hungry every 2-3 hours, not starving. I could have a banana or a 250 calorie protein smoothie and be sated for awhile, but I'll be hungry 2-3 hours later. The worst part? Eating a massive fucking meal, like a full steak dinner at a Ruth's Chris or something, and being hungry 2-3 hours later and my dad calling me a pig lol.

I think I might start bulking... it's winter!
 
Khane

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Ossoi_sl said:
It's irrelevant because I never said I was trying to stick to the diet recommended in the study, that's just a study that backs up my point that protein fills you for longer than carbs/fats.
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Argues, someone counterpoints, calls it irrelevant because he's an imbecile

Ossoi_sl said:
p.s Myfitnesspal piechart breaks 25g of cashew, 920g chicken breast and 225g sirloin as 67% protein 31% fat, so learn to math instead of "MMMMM PIE" everytime your teacher said piechart <---- JOKE
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You said in your original post the breakdown was 346g protein, 70g fat. That's 416g total. (346/416)*100 = 83.17. So I guess you were skewing the numbers to favor your position in the original post?

Nobody was every arguing to do low protein, the argument was there is no benefit to all that extra protein after a certain point and that filling the rest of your diet with fats can be more beneficial, which is the argument you seem to be missing. Anyway I'm done with this now, it's like talking to parrot.
 
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I used to enjoy reading this thread and people's progress or diet/lifting recommendations. Then Ossoi returned.
 
Ossoi

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Khane_sl said:
You said in your original post the breakdown was 346g protein, 70g fat. That's 416g total. (346/416)*100 = 83.17. So I guess you were skewing the numbers to favor your position in the original post?
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You forget the marginal carbs from the nuts lol. Want me to post the screenshot of myfitnesspal saying that food comes in at 67% 31%? The nutrient amounts I posted are all from myfitnesspal as well (and scanned directly from the barcodes of my packaging).

I love this, someone makes a mistake then accuses me of "skewing the numbers", I get defensive and I'm the one fagging up the thread? lolz
 
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Khane

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I don't know what other factors MyFitnessPal is using but if you weren't so stupid you'd be able to do the math yourself. 346g protein + 71g fat + 8g carbs = 425 total grams of food. (346/425)*100 = 81.4%. I have no idea how it's factoring in the sodium into its calculations but that was never part of the discussion to begin with.

Are you really so dumb as to think 8g of carbs would skew the results from 83% to 61%? God help you son.
 
Khane

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Itlan_sl said:
My point was I ended up snacking cause I was just so fucking hungry without carbs. Even eating absurd amounts of almonds and cashews didn't help. I'm just consistently hungry every 2-3 hours, not starving. I could have a banana or a 250 calorie protein smoothie and be sated for awhile, but I'll be hungry 2-3 hours later. The worst part? Eating a massive fucking meal, like a full steak dinner at a Ruth's Chris or something, and being hungry 2-3 hours later and my dad calling me a pig lol.

I think I might start bulking... it's winter!
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Did you try snacking on actual substantia food like leftover chicken or broccoli or something? I completely agree with trying to snack on nuts throughout the day just not being enough. When I was hardcore on Atkins I snacked all throughout the day. Actually that's not entirely accurate, I ate all throughout the day. I didn't have set meal times, when I was hungry I ate a small "meal". I was eating those "meals" 5-6 times a day because I would feel completely fine right after eating and then 3 hours later I would be hungry again so I would eat. This was towards the end though. At the beginning I was still eating substantial meals 3 times a day with little to no snacking and didn't have issues but that was because the meals were pretty large and filling. Once my stomach started shrinking and I was filling up faster I noticed that snacking was essential (Actually now that I am thinking about it my hunger probably had more to do with the fact that I was exercising 2-3 times a day)
 
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