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ubiquitrips

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This is where things get confusing to me. I get that the fat intake on a daily basis is high. Let's ignore the fact that it is all from butter for now, I will get that corrected. However, isn't that the entire point of Keto diets? All of the internet reading and calculators, etc. recommend getting between 60 - 70% of your daily calories from fat. If the target is 2000 calories/day, that would put the fat target at around 144g for 65% of calories. Even if I balance in more protein on a daily basis, the goal would still be an amount of fat that makes people go 'no wonder you have problems'.

Of course, in my particular case dropping 20 - 30% of the fat on a daily basis and varying the source could make all of the difference in the world.
 

Hekotat

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I just went through 2 weeks of training at a hotel where everything was catered, it totally fucked up my diet and I put on about 1% of body fat and 10lbs. At the end we took a group photo and I look fat as fuck! I started busting ass again but I just don't feel like I'm losing stomach fat as much I should, any tips?

I've been taking Cocnut oil pills and I'm trying to stay around 1400-1600 calories a day.
 

Ambiturner

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This is where things get confusing to me. I get that the fat intake on a daily basis is high. Let's ignore the fact that it is all from butter for now, I will get that corrected. However, isn't that the entire point of Keto diets? All of the internet reading and calculators, etc. recommend getting between 60 - 70% of your daily calories from fat. If the target is 2000 calories/day, that would put the fat target at around 144g for 65% of calories. Even if I balance in more protein on a daily basis, the goal would still be an amount of fat that makes people go 'no wonder you have problems'.

Of course, in my particular case dropping 20 - 30% of the fat on a daily basis and varying the source could make all of the difference in the world.
No, I think you have a decent grasp on it. A Keto diet will seem high in fat for a lot of people, but as long as it's not all from something like butter it's not a big deal. Getting 140g a day from a good mix of fish/meat/nuts/etc will do wonders for you
 

Ambiturner

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I just went through 2 weeks of training at a hotel where everything was catered, it totally fucked up my diet and I put on about 1% of body fat and 10lbs. At the end we took a group photo and I look fat as fuck! I started busting ass again but I just don't feel like I'm losing stomach fat as much I should, any tips?

I've been taking Cocnut oil pills and I'm trying to stay around 1400-1600 calories a day.
What's your current weight and how long ago was this?
 

Gravel

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I'm sitting at 163 pounds right now and cutting on 1900 calories. There's no fucking way 1400 calories is realistic.
 

Itlan

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Elurin, you're a fucking freak.

Although technically I could go up to like 2700 calories and be cutting.

Anyway, doing the math, you could take in 90g of fat and 200g of protein and technically be in ketosis, no? The goal is fat cals > protein cals, it doesn't necessarily have to be a massive difference. Or am I incorrect?
 

Himeo

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My last check-up was probably a year ago and all my vitals were absolutely perfect. I mean, I'm relatively young - 24.

And no, I fucking hate eggs, and I love alcohol. So I'm still debating attempting this lol.
Then don't eat eggs. It's not a big deal. Keto is super flexible provided you don't eat sugar or starch. You want to enjoy alcohol? Beer is out. At least good beer is out. You can drink some weak light shitty beer if you want. Most wines are fine. Liquor is fine and if you need a chaser use something with an artificial sweetener.

This shit isn't rocket science.
 

Himeo

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Hey Keto folks, are there any "a la carte" Keto diet/workout plans out there, preferably from some sort of professional like a dr/dietician who has used it on a large(y) group of people? I surprisingly did not find any - maybe I'm not using the right keywords. One thing about the traditional plans is that you can go through it and learn the basics behind it and then afterwords tailor it to your needs.
I have no idea what "a la carte" means. Watch this:

 

Himeo

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I'm no expert on keto in general but my brother in law (Professor of microbiology) who went crazy when he first started and read a bunch of pubmed articles on the subject came to the conclusion that too much protein can push you out of ketosis. The literature heavily emphasized deriving as much energy as possible from fat with only the minimal amount of protein. Things like butter,cheese and oil are great at getting more of your calories derived from fat, without pushing you protein levels too high. He also noted to me some people see a 20-30% rise in their cholesterol levels on the diet but others see a drop. Before the diet he was quite a bit more overweight and on statins to lower his cholesterol but now three+ months later he's down 40lbs and off the statins because his cholesterol is in a normal range.
Excess protein is converted into glucose in your blood. But if you're hitting that level of protein you're either pigging out in a short amount of time or eating too many calories to lose weight. Don't fear protein.

Studies have shown that eating more protein can improve weight loss when doing a low carb diet.

For me most meals are some sort of protein and heavy helping of green veggies deep fried/cooked in butter or oil. My main problem has been maintaining the right level of salts in my body. I had to add in supplements for both Potassium (muscle pain) and Magnesium (muscle twitches).
Yea man, supplementing salt is a pretty big deal. It sucks to wake up in the middle of the night because your legs are cramping.
 

Himeo

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I had blood work done, not directly before, but about 6 months before I started to lose weight. Cholesterol was all 'normal' at that point. LDL was getting up a little, but within range. HDL was a bit low (like 41 instead of over 50). This time around HDL was up 20% but LDL was up around 80%. Overall cholesterol was up over 100%.
Haha, relax man it's fine. I assume you're still cutting weight right?



Keep calm and Keto on
 

Ossoi

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Excess protein is converted into glucose in your blood. But if you're hitting that level of protein you're either pigging out in a short amount of time or eating too many calories to lose weight. Don't fear protein.
Everyone always says too much protein kicks you out of ketosis but when I restrict carbs I aim for 225-300g of protein per day and my only fats come from the meat I'm eating (chicken thighs, salmon, steaks) and the olive or coconut oil I cook with. The ketosticks constantly read positive for ketones.
 

Ambiturner

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Some people are more efficient at gluconeogenesis than others. The important thing to remember is that you will lose weight either way, so overanalyzing if you're technically in ketosis is missing the point. I wouldn't recommend it long term for someone who has a lot of weight to lose, but for the last 10-15lbs or so it's amazing
 

Hekotat

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What's your current weight and how long ago was this?
I'm at 175. I've been eating 1600 a day max since October, I was at 190+ but it's really starting to slow down and I can't seem to do shit about my stomach fat. I usually work out 3-4 days a week but I've been reduced to twice a week do to this shitty schedule I'm having to work for the next month or so.

Also, I have issues with cardio due to my knee being really fucked up but I am going to try doing stationary bicycle this weekend since it's the last thing I haven't tried yet.
 

ubiquitrips

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Haha, relax man it's fine. I assume you're still cutting weight right?

Keep calm and Keto on
Thanks for the video. I am still in the weight dropping phase of my diet. I went from 283 > 214 lbs in the past 9 months so it matches up. I had planned on getting to 199 and then letting things slow down a bit. My long term goal is to get into 170 - 180 range. I am expecting the 199 > 180 move to take 1 - 2 years and hopefully just naturally happen with working out and a better diet.

If anything, this will get my diet changed up a bit, increasing protein, etc. which will most likely help my working out endeavors any way.
 

Itlan

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Then don't eat eggs. It's not a big deal. Keto is super flexible provided you don't eat sugar or starch. You want to enjoy alcohol? Beer is out. At least good beer is out. You can drink some weak light shitty beer if you want. Most wines are fine. Liquor is fine and if you need a chaser use something with an artificial sweetener.

This shit isn't rocket science.
Correct, but there's a lot of side effects of keto to take into consideration as well. It's not just "well fuck it" and go.

And I'm a beer man (Duvel, Chimay, Ommegang, etc) so this is a major issue.
 

Ambiturner

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I'm at 175. I've been eating 1600 a day max since October, I was at 190+ but it's really starting to slow down and I can't seem to do shit about my stomach fat. I usually work out 3-4 days a week but I've been reduced to twice a week do to this shitty schedule I'm having to work for the next month or so.

Also, I have issues with cardio due to my knee being really fucked up but I am going to try doing stationary bicycle this weekend since it's the last thing I haven't tried yet.
It's normal to have "stubborn" fat that seems to stay the same size even when you lose weight and lean out everywhere else. For men the lower abdomen is the most common site for this especially men with low testosterone levels.

People who aren't very fat that go on low calorie diets for long periods of time will lower their metabolism so it becomes closer to maintenance and that's a big reason why diets tend to stall. 1600 calories is a bit low for that, though.

What's your workout routine like? Also a diet breakdown would be helpful. A lot of people overestimate their exercise and think they're eating less healthy than they think they are. Also, paradoxically working out too hard can cause you to stall as well.

There's also a few medical issues that can be problematic as well. Ever have your testosterone or thyroid levels checked? Or have any GI problems like frequent constipation or diarrhea?

Another simple trick you can do is drink as much ice water as you can. Obviously not 5 gallons a day where you get hyponatremia, but your body has to expend energy to keep your body warm so it's an easy way to burn calories while sitting at your desk
 

Hekotat

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It's normal to have "stubborn" fat that seems to stay the same size even when you lose weight and lean out everywhere else. For men the lower abdomen is the most common site for this especially men with low testosterone levels.

People who aren't very fat that go on low calorie diets for long periods of time will lower their metabolism so it becomes closer to maintenance and that's a big reason why diets tend to stall. 1600 calories is a bit low for that, though.

What's your workout routine like? Also a diet breakdown would be helpful. A lot of people overestimate their exercise and think they're eating less healthy than they think they are. Also, paradoxically working out too hard can cause you to stall as well.

There's also a few medical issues that can be problematic as well. Ever have your testosterone or thyroid levels checked? Or have any GI problems like frequent constipation or diarrhea?

Another simple trick you can do is drink as much ice water as you can. Obviously not 5 gallons a day where you get hyponatremia, but your body has to expend energy to keep your body warm so it's an easy way to burn calories while sitting at your desk
I have never had my testosterone or thyroid levels checked, but I can tell you I was very skinny up until a few years ago before eating out all the time and eating large portions fucked me before I realized it. If you would like to take a look at my diet just shoot me a PM and I can add you on myfitnesspal if you have an account.

No constipation or diarrhea.

Would it be better to eat like 2200 a few days then go back to 1600? Keeping my metabolism on it's toes? I was really surprised at how bad I was eating when I got myfitnesspal, I thought I was doing good but in reality I was doing shitty.

Workout usually consists of the following.

Day 1:


Dumbbell Curls (starting at 35lbs, 3 sets of 6 to 8 and work down to 20lbs)
Tricep pulldowns machine (starting at 90lbs, 3 sets of 6 to 8 and work down to 60lbs)
Military Press Smith Machine (starting at 40lbs - the bar, sets of 6 to 8 until I can't do anymore)
Shoulder rotation pulldowns cable machine (starting at 60lbs, 3 sets of 6 to 8 and work down to 40lbs) unsure of proper name
Shoulder shrugs ( 40 or 45lbs, 3 sets of 15 to 20)
Shoulder flys (20lbs, 3 sets of as many as I can do each set)
Standing side bends (45lbs, 3 sets of 20 for each side)
Situps Excercise ball (25 a day if possible)

Day 2:
Bench Press Smith Machine (35lbs - the bar, 3 sets of 6-8 and work down to 20lbs. 3 sets close grip on each weight as many as I can do)
Incline Bench Press Smith Machine (25lbs - the bar, 3 sets of as many as I can do. I usually go down to 20lbs and do as many as I can do until I can't anymore, exhaustion kicks my ass at this point.
Rowing type machine (80 to 90lbs, 3 sets of 6-8)
Pull down machine (80lbs, 3 sets of 6-8)
Dumbbell back flys (25lbs, 3 sets of 6-8)
Chest flys (35lbs, 3 sets of 6-8 work down to 25lbs)
Leg extensions (110lbs, 3 sets of 15)
Reverse leg extensions (100lbs, 3 sets of 15)
Squats (35 or 45lbs, 3 sets of 10) I also rotate between the leg press machine every other leg day.
Calf raises (45lbs, 3 sets of 20)
Standing side bends (45lbs, 3 sets of 20 for each side)
Situps Excercise ball (25 a day if possible)


EDIT: Reverse leg extension might be called hamstring curl.