Kuriin
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White bread is the very definition of "unhealthy bread". Zaide: Only vegetables will you have a net loss of calories.
Weight Loss Thread
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Yes, I know, which is why I put "healthy" in quotes. It's horrible for you, but when something is half the calories you'd normally expect people assume it's healthy and good to eat. Just like people assume (and companies advertise) anything non-fat as "healthy".
The bread Cad posted is the exact one I was thinking of. I used to eat that every day for years. Eventually I tried going back to real bread (i.e., baked fresh, in an actual loaf that I had to cut myself) and the difference was night and day in taste and texture. Now I eat less bread so that I can eat quality bread. I'd rather have 2 slices of a delicious, fresh, high quality loaf than 4 or 6 slices of that honey wheat stuff.
Every morning when we were eating our toast as kids, my grandfather would say "The whiter the bread, the faster you're dead!" Of course, he was chowing down on white bread himself, but I always loved the saying.
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Like two pages ago I list my exact calories, carbs, fat, protein and sugar from every meal. I eat whole grain bread that is 50cal per slice. My cheese stick is 50 calories, my peanut butter is the low sugar low calorie variety, my eggs are 70 cals per, the peanut serving size tells you how many peanuts are in a serving, and I weigh my chicken with a food scale before cooking (it's the frozen singles kind). I don't use any cooking oils and the chicken is baked. I'll take pictures of everything and upload it when I get the chance.
Also note that I started last Thursday at 186 and am currently 181. I weigh myself at the same time every day.
Also note that I started last Thursday at 186 and am currently 181. I weigh myself at the same time every day.
Zaide
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Simply Jif, the "Low Sodium, 33% less sugar" variety with the white label.
http://www.jif.com/products/simply-jif
To be clear, my current diet is working great. It was when I had a much more normal and less specific diet that I was failing to lose weight.
I dont see what the big deal is. Im 5'10 ~180 and starting a cut. I can hit my macros np @ around 1600 and thats being able to use things like bbq sauce on my chicken etc. If youre hitting your macros and continuing to lift youre not gonna lose muscle or its so negligible it doesnt matter compared to how fast you can lose fat.
Itlan
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All of this sounds really stupid, just so you know. It's far from negligible lol.
Khane
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No it really isn't. And for every piece of "evidence" (anecdotal story) you can come up with about how eating 1600 calories and doing a cut made you're ripped gym bro lose 50 lbs on bench I can tell you an anecdotal story about how people who were losing fat while hitting it hard were still making gains.
Khane
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I'm living proof that you can keep gaining way past noob gains while still losing weight or maintaining a normal diet (i.e. not eating 3000+ calories a day).
Like I said, the only thing either of us can offer is anecdotal evidence. There is no scientific evidence to support your claim, nor mine. Nobody has done an exhaustive study on this type of thing, and it would be very hard to do one in fact.
EDIT: Just so you know. Hershel Walker is known for claiming he eats around 900 calories a day, and has for over 20 years, including when he was playing football:
Herschel Walkers Diet | LIVESTRONG.COM
Herschel Walker 1 Meal a Day Diet - YouTube
Different things work for different people.
Yea, 5 lbs in a week... that's a pretty insane cut, even if you're talking about a lot of water weight, which you probably didn't have... I guarantee there is some muscle loss with that too, but then again, for long distance running, I guess lower weight balances out the muscle mass loss as far as "performance" goes.
Like I said, though, I'm very sedentary outside of 20 minutes of lifting weights, I sit all day at my job... I do burn probably 2000-2500 calories a day, As long as I stay under 2000 I lose weight, and 1500 is definitely doable for me, but I'm running zero miles a day, not 4.
Rezz
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re: eating sub 2k calories and working out...
The key to that style of weight management is -how- you are using your calories. I eat lots of high protein/low calorie stuff (egg whites, tofu, legumes...) and limit the shit out of my carb intake. My point is weight loss, so my recovery time is commiserate with my goals. Yeah, I can eat a braunshweiger and mortedella sandwich (jfc are they good) if I want to enjoy two meals worth of carbs/fats in one sitting, or I can eat in a fairly restricted manner and feel consistently full yet still minimize fat cells while feeding nutrients to working muscle groups. No, you aren't going to be a champion powerlifter on that style of eating plan, but you can definitely cut down on fat while maintaining (to a reasonable extent) muscle mass. Honestly, nobody eating at sub 1500 calories is expecting muscle gains; they are just hoping their nutrient balance counteracts losing muscle mass while they also cut back on body fat percentage.
The key to that style of weight management is -how- you are using your calories. I eat lots of high protein/low calorie stuff (egg whites, tofu, legumes...) and limit the shit out of my carb intake. My point is weight loss, so my recovery time is commiserate with my goals. Yeah, I can eat a braunshweiger and mortedella sandwich (jfc are they good) if I want to enjoy two meals worth of carbs/fats in one sitting, or I can eat in a fairly restricted manner and feel consistently full yet still minimize fat cells while feeding nutrients to working muscle groups. No, you aren't going to be a champion powerlifter on that style of eating plan, but you can definitely cut down on fat while maintaining (to a reasonable extent) muscle mass. Honestly, nobody eating at sub 1500 calories is expecting muscle gains; they are just hoping their nutrient balance counteracts losing muscle mass while they also cut back on body fat percentage.
Yes, exactly Rezz, while I'd like bigger muscles my number one and only goal right now is losing fat at a fast pace, ideally to look ripped by spring, and secondary i want to lose as little muscle as possible, which is why the majority of my diet is protein (and recently trying to add more fats in as well)
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