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Gurgeh said:
These drugs will put a band-aid on the eating too much
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While exercise is certainly good, the vast majority of serious health outcomes at play stem directly from obesity (otherwise "fat fit" would be a real thing). Simply reducing mass goes a long, long way to better health, though obviously doesn't achieve everything possible.
 
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Captain Suave said:
While exercise is certainly good, the vast majority of serious health outcomes at play stem directly from obesity (otherwise "fat fit" would be a real thing). Simply reducing mass goes a long, long way to better health, though obviously doesn't achieve everything possible.
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There is no doubt it has benefit for people with >40 BMI, that's not what is being argued here. It's for people <35 BMI, where the health benefit is dubious and the risk is unknown. Not a great equation. Idiots like Attia are extrapolating the ACM gain for obese diabetic on a regular people and push people to use it, I can only see this as a catastrophe in progress.
 
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...It's for people <35 BMI, where the health benefit is dubious and the risk is unknown.
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35 BMI is severely obese. ~243 lbs for a 5'10'' man, about 65 lbs overweight. There's no doubt about the risks of being that fat. I wouldn't start questioning till we're talking well under 30.
 
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Gurgeh said:
There is no doubt it has benefit for people with >40 BMI, that's not what is being argued here. It's for people <35 BMI, where the health benefit is dubious and the risk is unknown. Not a great equation. Idiots like Attia are extrapolating the ACM gain for obese diabetic on a regular people and push people to use it, I can only see this as a catastrophe in progress.
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They've been playing around with GLP-1's since the 90's though, this isn't the covid vax where they rushed it to market with no testing.

Anything can have long-term consequences that we haven't identified yet but I think the first GLP-1 agonist was approved in like 2005 (in the US) and has had millions of prescriptions per year. If it was going to cause everyone turbo cancer it would have by now.
 
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They've been playing around with GLP-1's since the 90's though, this isn't the covid vax where they rushed it to market with no testing.

Anything can have long-term consequences that we haven't identified yet but I think the first GLP-1 agonist was approved in like 2005 (in the US) and has had millions of prescriptions per year. If it was going to cause everyone turbo cancer it would have by now.
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I don't know about the USA , but PPI have been around since the early 80's, and in France, they only started to restrict their use in 2020's... Same for statins, 40 years and they're still prescribing them like candies to anyone and everyone. It took a century before the risks of using antibiotics was aknowledged. I don't think that 15 years, with the current pharmaceutical industry and governments, is anything close to being a guarantee of it being safe.
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35 BMI is severely obese. ~243 lbs for a 5'10'' man, about 65 lbs overweight. There's no doubt about the risks of being that fat. I wouldn't start questioning till we're talking well under 30.
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Yeah I guess you're right, let's say 32. ACM function of BMI :
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I don't think that 15 years, with the current pharmaceutical industry and governments, is anything close to being a guarantee of it being safe.
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Nothing is a guarantee of being safe and that isn't the standard.
 
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Nothing is a guarantee of being safe and that isn't the standard.
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This. Tylenol is very dangerous at doses not much greater than the label.

Gurgeh said:
ACM function of BMI
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Mortality is not the only concern. Being overweight can drive any number of non-fatal health problems. Metabolic disorder, cardiovascular disease, cancer, arthritis, etc, etc, or just simple reduced quality of life.
 
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Being overweight is a concern independent of body composition, but does tend to be worse the more fat you have. Normal weight obesity (skinny fat) also carries health risks, largely metabolic disorders and type 2 diabetes on a longer scale.

Mechanistically, I suspect we will see many people who lose weight with GLP-1 inhibitors will have issues related to body composition issues as they struggle to get in enough protein and/or fail to incorporate resistance training to maintain a reasonable amount of skeletal muscle.
 
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Being overweight is a concern independent of body composition, but does tend to be worse the more fat you have. Normal weight obesity (skinny fat) also carries health risks, largely metabolic disorders and type 2 diabetes on a longer scale.

Mechanistically, I suspect we will see many people who lose weight with GLP-1 inhibitors will have issues related to body composition issues as they struggle to get in enough protein and/or fail to incorporate resistance training to maintain a reasonable amount of skeletal muscle.
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I think there's also the nutrients part, a shitty diet, remain a shitty diet even if halved. Let's assume someone was eating 3k cal worth of big mac (far from the worse possible choice of junk food), and let's look at potassium (far from the most difficult nutrient to get), you'd get 75% of the daily need, which should be enough to somewhat function.
Now if you cut that in half, you're down to 37.5% of you daily need of potassium, in the long run, it's going to be a problem. And that's potassium, and big mac.
 
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I suspect we will see many people who lose weight with GLP-1 inhibitors will have issues related to body composition issues as they struggle to get in enough protein and/or fail to incorporate resistance training to maintain a reasonable amount of skeletal muscle.
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Yeah, but this is true of any kind of weight loss that is similarly unaccompanied by exercise and improvement in the nutrient density of diet. Not saying you're doing this, but I see all kinds of talk as if this were a unique problem to this class of drug. The right answer is to encourage people across the board to eat better and exercise more.
 
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Just hit 30 BMI, down from nearly 34 BMI, so no longer Obese!

That's 33 pounds this year so far, next target is 62 pounds more, which will get me to healthy weight.

I pretty much only eat fresh food so no worries on nutrition, did do takeout/snacking so that stopping is paying for the meds and increasing quality of food.

Going to start running this week to work on the exercise, then will probably start walking home from work next week (4 miles).
 
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alot of people are doing IF these days. waking up at 5-6am and eating breakfast at 1-2pm. it allows for a short window of eating then what? 16 hours of fasting right? not for me.
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I find it's very doable on weekends. Wake up later than normal, have a big dinner.
 
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If you guys set your meal plan up and research its macro's... You can literally just snack on it all day. I still eat my preprepared meals in one sitting. But two of the four meals I have can be broken apart and I can snack on them throughout the day. I'm still eating roughly 1850 calories for the day, but my gym routine will completely dictate how hungry/thirsty I am afterwards.

But really, Ive learned my so called "cheat" is really just PowerAde Zero's. If you're not eating gobs of fucking sweets, and you're not pouring a tablespoon of salt on everything you eat - They taste really good and the 32 ounce ones will fill you up. Kroger's has like some rotating deal on them always. Like the last time I stocked up on them, I got 4 for 5 bucks each. I checked on them at the beginning of the week and theyre at like 3 for 5 right now... so not quite as good. But still, when they have a good deal - I stock up like Im going to quench the thirst of a football team. If you're trying to lose weight, Im trying to make it abundantly clear that "this is the way."
 
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That shit is just glorified Kool-Aid bro.
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Thats why I underlined what the point of it was, "bro." It has negligible to no calories and effectively kills your hunger. Im just over 100 pounds lighter than I was October of 23 without the use of Ozempic or similar. Im pretty confident in knowing what works and what doesnt.
 
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Water fills you up too, doesn't have chemical sweeteners, and doesn't cost $5.

It's mostly the sweetener thing I'm against. Coke has managed to con a good chunk of the population into thinking chemicals taste good for some reason. Shit can't possibly be good for you, but everyone's response is always "but it's zero calories!"

Uh huh
 
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Thats why I underlined what the point of it was, "bro." It has negligible to no calories and effectively kills your hunger. Im just over 100 pounds lighter than I was October of 23 without the use of Ozempic or similar. Im pretty confident in knowing what works and what doesnt.
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He's right. PowerAde is basically cancer in a bottle. You're paying to poison yourself for no apparent reason. All chemical sweeteners are fucking awful for you.
 
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Cutlery said:
Water fills you up too, doesn't have chemical sweeteners, and doesn't cost $5.

It's mostly the sweetener thing I'm against. Coke has managed to con a good chunk of the population into thinking chemicals taste good for some reason. Shit can't possibly be good for you, but everyone's response is always "but it's zero calories!"

Uh huh
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I wonder how safe stevia is.
 
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Daidraco said:
Thats why I underlined what the point of it was, "bro." It has negligible to no calories and effectively kills your hunger. Im just over 100 pounds lighter than I was October of 23 without the use of Ozempic or similar. Im pretty confident in knowing what works and what doesnt.
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Hey man, GLP-1's are zero calories and fill you up too. And for a full week at a time!

It seems like you maybe think that the existence of these medications somehow cheapen or diminish your achievement. It doesn't. Congrats on losing that much weight. I lost a little over 100lbs during my Senior year of college ~20 years ago and I still remember how difficult it was at certain points and how hungry I often was.
 
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Daidraco said:
If you guys set your meal plan up and research its macro's... You can literally just snack on it all day. I still eat my preprepared meals in one sitting. But two of the four meals I have can be broken apart and I can snack on them throughout the day. I'm still eating roughly 1850 calories for the day, but my gym routine will completely dictate how hungry/thirsty I am afterwards.

But really, Ive learned my so called "cheat" is really just PowerAde Zero's. If you're not eating gobs of fucking sweets, and you're not pouring a tablespoon of salt on everything you eat - They taste really good and the 32 ounce ones will fill you up. Kroger's has like some rotating deal on them always. Like the last time I stocked up on them, I got 4 for 5 bucks each. I checked on them at the beginning of the week and theyre at like 3 for 5 right now... so not quite as good. But still, when they have a good deal - I stock up like Im going to quench the thirst of a football team. If you're trying to lose weight, Im trying to make it abundantly clear that "this is the way."
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I dunno, this is really painful to read. You do realize that hunger is a mostly irrational feeling that you can completely ignore, right? Have you ever fasted? Why not just skip eating for like 3 days to prove you can. Limit yourself to 400 calories for a week. If you're fat you'll be completely fine.

Why are you thinking of such elaborate plans to "fight hunger"? Just tell your hunger no. I mean if it works for you sure, do it, but this reads like someone making elaborate excuses to avoid facing the root issue.
 
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