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Khane

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That's just a foolish take. Acting like we should ignore advances in science, medicine, technology or any other field because you have some antiquated, stone age view of the world.

You and I don't see eye to eye and luckily society at large doesn't want to live in the past and act like a breakthrough like these GLP-1 drugs are somehow a bad thing.
 
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Chris

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Am I going to die from the covid vaccine spike protein turbo cancer first or the weight loss drug turbo cancer? Hoping they will cancel out.
 
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I'm quite confident that this drug, like all the previous ones, destined to fix poor lifestyle (PPI, Statins, HBP) are going to be so overprescribed that it will be a net negative.

I'll stay on my "stone age" diet of actual food, and my "stone age" lifestyle of trying to be as active as possible. This has proven beyond reasonable doubt to benefit everyone by literaly countless studies.

I can't help but notice the patern on ozempic, similar to the usual bullshit talking point of the pharmaceutical industry : it's been around for 50 years (same for ARNm vaccine) it's been tested on 1 billion people, etc.. But when you dig a little bit in the studies, it's not so clear it provides a benefit to people without severe
health problem.

And again, look at statins, we've been told for decades of their usefullness to the point many doctors would prescribe it by default to anyone over 40. And now, it seems it's was useless all along.
 
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Gurgeh said:
I'm quite confident that this drug, like all the previous ones, destined to fix poor lifestyle (PPI, Statins, HBP) are going to be so overprescribed that it will be a net negative.

I'll stay on my "stone age" diet of actual food, and my "stone age" lifestyle of trying to be as active as possible. This has proven beyond reasonable doubt to benefit everyone by literaly countless studies.

I can't help but notice the patern on ozempic, similar to the usual bullshit talking point of the pharmaceutical industry : it's been around for 50 years (same for ARNm vaccine) it's been tested on 1 billion people, etc.. But when you dig a little bit in the studies, it's not so clear it provides a benefit to people without severe
health problem.

And again, look at statins, we've been told for decades of their usefullness to the point many doctors would prescribe it by default to anyone over 40. And now, it seems it's was useless all along.
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So youre saying diabetics shouldnt take this? Because thats what its main use has been for years. Big Pharma just found a good way to market the other uses of it.
 
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Animosity said:
So youre saying diabetics shouldnt take this? Because thats what its main use has been for years. Big Pharma just found a good way to market the other uses of it.
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Loads of people currently taking it aren’t diabetics. Some are barely overweight. Fuck, some aren't even overweight.

What I'm saying is that there is some data for diabetics, but for the rest, it's mostly 'have faith’.
 
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Loads of people currently taking it aren’t diabetics. Some are barely overweight. Fuck, some aren't even overweight.
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I didnt ask if these people were diabetic or not. I asked you if diabetics should take this or not. Because based on your previous statement they shouldnt.
 
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Animosity said:
I didnt ask if these people were diabetic or not. I asked you if diabetics should take this or not. Because based on your previous statement they shouldnt.
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If you're diabetic, overweight, and unable to fix your lifestyle, it would seem to be beneficial.
 
Chris

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Gurgeh said:
And again, look at statins, we've been told for decades of their usefullness to the point many doctors would prescribe it by default to anyone over 40. And now, it seems it's was useless all along.
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But I actually lost ~36 pounds in two months, it's not some invisible benefit like maybe the statins stopped a heart attack.

I see it like antidepressants, doesn't fix the root problem but creates some space to try and fix it.

I'm finding it easy to not stress eat and feeling good enough to want to excersie.
 
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Chris said:
But I actually lost ~36 pounds in two months, it's not some invisible benefit like maybe the statins stopped a heart attack.

I see it like antidepressants, doesn't fix the root problem but creates some space to try and fix it.

I'm finding it easy to not stress eat and feeling good enough to want to excersie.
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Any side effects so far?
 
Gurgeh

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Chris said:
But I actually lost ~36 pounds in two months, it's not some invisible benefit like maybe the statins stopped a heart attack.

I see it like antidepressants, doesn't fix the root problem but creates some space to try and fix it.

I'm finding it easy to not stress eat and feeling good enough to want to excersie.
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If widespread use of Ozempic decrease use of sleeping pills and antidepressant, I'll admit I'm wrong and that Ozempic is clearly a net benefit for society. But what I fear, is that it's not going to fix the underlying issue as you say, and that for 10-20% of the population it's just going to add yet another pill in their daily routine, to make their life slightly more bearable, like antidepressant and sleeping pills and desincentive people to get to the root of the problem and fix all their issues.

That being said, if YOU are able to lose 50 pounds, get off it, and maintain your weight. Great. Unfortunately, it's not going to be the most common story.
 
Chris

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Gurgeh said:
If widespread use of Ozempic decrease use of sleeping pills and antidepressant, I'll admit I'm wrong and that Ozempic is clearly a net benefit for society. But what I fear, is that it's not going to fix the underlying issue as you say, and that for 10-20% of the population it's just going to add yet another pill in their daily routine, to make their life slightly more bearable, like antidepressant and sleeping pills and desincentive people to get to the root of the problem and fix all their issues.

That being said, if YOU are able to lose 50 pounds, get off it, and maintain your weight. Great. Unfortunately, it's not going to be the most common story.
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My mindset is that I had severe depression for a few years and after university was an unemployable incel living with parents.

I was on antidepressants for 6 months and it put a limit on how low I could feel, giving me the space to work on myself. I was miserable for a good few years after including a short relapse but didn't go back on the meds and sorted it out myself based on what I learned the first time.

So I see the weight loss drugs as the same thing, I'll be on them for ~6 months and learn healthier eating/exercise habits.

That being said, what % of people use these drugs to make other improvements and what % use it as a crutch and relapse once off them? I'm not optimistic so you do have a point.

Also in the UK system the pressure is to get people off drugs because it's socialism and expensive, or in my case not covered by the system so I'm paying for it.

in the US the pressure is to keep you on the drugs because it's profitable to charge for them via insurance, so I can see it ending up as a big pharma scam to alternate you between high fructose corn syrup diet and the drugs.
 
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Gurgeh said:
Probably, because I have 0 idea what point you're trying to make.
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Obviously he's saying that 99% of the world is diabetic and so they should all just hop on the ozempic bandwagon because it's a modern Jesus in a pill here to save the world. Or who knows. Plus, Ozempic seems to be from around 2017? There's no chance there could be any negative effects that have not been seen by now, it's been forever!

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So I see the weight loss drugs as the same thing, I'll be on them for ~6 months and learn healthier eating/exercise habits.
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Don't these drugs just crush your appetite/hunger and thus once you're off it and that comes back, all those 'healthier eating habits' disappear because you no longer have the magic science pill keeping you from eating 37 snacks a day?

Khane Khane you never answered. What is your stance on GMO food and all the "evil science lab food that is poison for profit" that's become all the rage to hate on these days?
 
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Khane

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Khane Khane you never answered. What is your stance on GMO food and all the "evil science lab food that is poison for profit" that's become all the rage to hate on these days?
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Here's my response to you. You are not worth interacting with. You are actually, legitimately, one of the dumbest people on this forum and this weird tangential argument you're presenting is just more evidence of that.
 
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