Tanoomba
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This literally describes no woman I've ever known. But then, I guess I can't blame your narrow vision when you don't realize you have blinders on.
Why do men keep putting me in the Girlfriend-zone?
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Tanoomba
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What's the matter, feeling threatened?And this is where you start losing steam and fall into the land of Equalia.
Those big bad girls trying to take away your power?
Are you afraid your position in society is going to be weakened?
Fucking pathetic.
But then, "feminism" is one of those charged words in this old boys' club. I know you've got a lot of people more than willing to slap you on the back, give a hearty laugh and fondle your balls while spouting ignorant talking-point gibberish that somehow shows how clearly you grasp the topic of feminism while simultaneously showing how much you miss the point completely.
Tell me again about how great women have it and how they're just whining for the sake of whining.
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You're right, I don't. I literally can't process it from a logical point of view. They literally offer nothing that appeals to any of my interests, what I find engaging, what I find fun, etc., from a friendship standpoint. And the only men I know thatdofind women engaging, fun, unique, etc. are either homosexual, bisexual, or emotionally needy as fuck.
Oh, fuck. Please tell me you aren't one of these men who believe women are so horribly downtrodden and misunderstood.
Actually, I don't. The one woman I've met that does happen to share some of these interests and world views, happens to be my girlfriend. However, she's still a woman and there are still plenty of things that I just can't "connect" with her on.
Pretty much. "Look at those shoes! Can you believe she'd wear those with that outfit!?" "Oh, man! That wedding dress is so hideous!". And then there is all the emotional baggage and such that they like talking about as well.
The only thing I can really see getting through a female friendship that you can't get through a male friendship is female "perspective". Which is usually only useful for dating/nailing other chicks. The problem is, even the perspective and advice women give on that is wrong and not what they really want/look for. Like the saying goes, "What a woman thinks she wants, what she says she wants, and what sheactuallywants, are at least 7 different things".
Perhaps. Maybe that is the case. I'm not saying females are wrong or have issues. We are wired differently, I get that. But I realize that most women treat this life as one big hierarchy(especiallyamongst their own social circle) that they have to claw and bite their way to the top of. They'll sell you out in a heartbeat. The vast, vast majority of them know almost nothing of loyalty, honesty, integrity, etc. and would sell you out the minute they thought they could gain position on the social ladder. They swing from "rung to rung" all the time. You see it constantly with women who cheat on their boyfriends, husbands, etc., but wait to tell them/leave until they have a solid grasp on the next rung up(or at least what they perceive as the next rung, even if that ends up not being true down the road). That is not a personality type that I necessarily want or enjoy having as a true, genuine, solid, life-long friendship(men possess this personality as well, though it doesn't seem to be as prevalent).
Tanoomba
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The fact that you believe these are the only reasons I could hold such beliefs is, again, emblematic of the problem.
Wrong on all four counts, by the way.
Same one you live on, brother.
Either I've chosen better women to hang out with than you, or you just applied a gross and misinformed generalization. Probably both.
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Tanoomba
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That's because most guys you know share your viewpoint and/or have no interest in challenging it.
I am not. But I am a feminist.
Right, there are things I can't "connect" with my wife on. There are things I can't "connect" with my closest male friends on. There are things I can't "connect" with my parents on. You get the idea. People are fundamentally different. Not men and women, but people.
I'm not saying women like this don't exist, or even that you weren't exposed to primarily this type of girl in your age group and social circle while growing up. Personally, there's not much I can share with those types of girls either. But those aren't the girls I approached and got to know, and they're not even close to being the "majority". Talking about these as if they're "girl traits" feeds into stereotypes and adds to a vicious cycle.
Well, here's one way we differ then. I don't have female friends for a female perspective. I have female friends because I consider them to be interesting people who add value to my life through friendship.
This says more to me than everything else put together. You don't trust women, you believe them to be liars and cheats.
I'm sure women exist who fit the criteria you describe to a T. I'm equally sure just as many (if not, realistically, many many more) men fit that criteria just as well. After all, the lying, cheating, cutthroat worlds of politics and big business are still primarily controlled by men. I know you're trying to tell me this is all based on your observations, but I find it hard to believe these observations aren't tainted somehow. Maybe you've had bad experiences? Maybe a girl (or girls) broke your heart, got you fired, broke your XBox, etc? I dunno, but of all the girls in my life (family, friends, co-workers, classmates, acquaintances, etc) I don't know any who would "sell me out in a heartbeat". I'm not saying they're all angels, they are just as flawed as the men I know, but their flaws do not stem from them being female, and it benefits no-one to make the point that they do.
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That's because they have no "need" to sell you out. You're giving them all they need emotionally. Physically they aren't attracted to you because you're a "feminist". If you have as many female friends as you claim to have, yet weren't so enthralled by feminism, pretty much all of the single women you are friends with would become home wreckers(even some of the not-single ones), given the first opportunity. The fact that you're married is just a bigger challenge to them. They love that shit. They live for it.
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Well my wife is a nerd and my best friend, besides being my wife. Maybe you guys marry poofta women you can showboat around to friends and such, but I like being able to do nerd shit with my wife. I like that we argue over who gets to play the next fallout installment first. Treat a woman like a trophy and she will be about as loyal (and useful) as one, I guess is the message.
Of course, for there to be any real chance at being friends with a woman she has to be well past the crazy stage and generally not clam jockeying against other women all the time, so I can understand why a lot of you don't see it happening. Women really are often shallow materialistic vapid cunts, but a lot of guys are cocks with a set of car keys too. The older you get (assuming you ever settle down) and the less your dick rules your life, the more likely you are to have female friends you see as something other than a sperm receptacle. The older and less crazy women get, the more likely women are to have male friends that they see as something other than tools to use or potential baby mamas.
I would wager that any dude who does not trust his wife around other guys probably is not at that point and definitely has some trust issues. Same goes for women.
Of course, for there to be any real chance at being friends with a woman she has to be well past the crazy stage and generally not clam jockeying against other women all the time, so I can understand why a lot of you don't see it happening. Women really are often shallow materialistic vapid cunts, but a lot of guys are cocks with a set of car keys too. The older you get (assuming you ever settle down) and the less your dick rules your life, the more likely you are to have female friends you see as something other than a sperm receptacle. The older and less crazy women get, the more likely women are to have male friends that they see as something other than tools to use or potential baby mamas.
I would wager that any dude who does not trust his wife around other guys probably is not at that point and definitely has some trust issues. Same goes for women.
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I'd agree with this. It just tends to be far more prevalent in women, from my experiences. Women tend to need the "calming" factor of marriage and/or children before they settle that shit down as well.
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And it is easier to have female friends you are not married to once you are married and settled down. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. If you are a single male (especially one of those forever alone guys), then yeah, having platonic female friends who are not using you is unlikely.