World of Warcraft: Current Year

Cant speak for their dps output in healer spec/gear, although I imagine the vanilla raids shouldnt be an issue even if you changed specs to DPS and had mediocre MOP gear.

Big W Powah!_sl said:

And they can do this in healer spec and healer gear?

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There's no real reason to keep the same spec when dual spec is pretty much trivial to activate. As far as the gear: priests, druids (moonkin DPS) and shaman (elemental DPS) wear the same gear to DPS and heal. Spirit gives hit these days so while you may be at a super high hit rating to maintain high spirit for healing; you'll only be missing out on some secondary stat like crit or haste that you may have more of as DPS. When it comes to the old raids though, it's mostly irrelevant anyway.

Paladins would need a completely separate gearset to heal and DPS.

one of the 2 new world bosses in 5.2, man I hope he drops a dinorider mount:



and on mmo champ video flythrough of new 16 boss (?) raid is up, I guess the PTR is live so you can login and fuck around. It sounds like there will be 1 troll area (4 bosses) and then 3 mogu/sha/etc areas in the new raid. it will be broken up into 4 raids in LFR.

Randomly quit WoW. Deleted it and everything associated with it.

It was mostly a result of a pile of small annoyances + dealing with the apparent long-term effects of celexa withdrawal. I'm cutting out anything that is a source of frustration, and WoW was pretty much nothing but. Its not a rage-quit like Cata's "FOH is full of faggots" quit. More like.. surrender, by recognizing that it is more frustrating than fun.

The iron-fisted nerf/fuckings were obviously the most annoying. Doubly so when its a fucking PVP nerf that fucks up everything else. PVP WILL NEVER BE BALANCED. NO ONE WILL *EVER* BE HAPPY WITH THE STATE OF PVP. FUCKING STOP.

The nerfs just keep piling up and there's a whole new flood of them coming in 5.2. I just don't want to play a game where the developers seem intent on pissing the majority off as much as possible to try to appease a mob of whining fucks that will *never* be appeased.

Mostly though was I fooled into thinking that fixing the Combustion RNG bullshit from Cata would make things just peachy. Holy fuck was I wrong - gameplay completely fucked by a choice of three OBNOXIOUS AS FUCK abilities whose only purpose is to complicate shit that didn't need complicating. The lv90 mage talents made this tier of raiding BY FAR the most I have ever been frustrated by WoW. Whoever made those stupid fuck talents should be fired, escorted to the parking lot, and shot in the back of the head. And I only wound up playing that shit because the ability bloat on Hunters made EQ2 hotbars look reasonable.

Also, I've discovered that my hatred of voice chat was not just FoH's fault. No, it is universal - I cannot stand playing a game while listening to a handful of people yammer fucking endlessly over top of everyone else. When there's so much chatter that I don't hear any of it then I may as well not have it at all. I hate it. Yes, they were a funny bunch and there was a lot of enjoyment there, but when it came time to raid and get shit done it annoyed me to no end.

I was also at the point where I decided if I had to weed my garden again I would probably go outside and beat the first old lady I came across. And of course there was also the new and improved FOREVER VALOR GRIND. Genius plan, make everyone sick to fucking death of your game.

The game is just buried under its own weight at this point. Too many skills piled on top of other skills, leading to both PVE and PVP gameplay that is just too annoying to enjoy. There may be a class out there that is still both powerful and fun while not overburdened by pointless overcomplication and bloat but I sure as hell don't have the interest left to find it.

Also, working on a boss and having the same people die to easily avoidable shit 20 reps in a row is only funny in hindsight.

But that's that. I'm quite sure I have closed the book on World of Warcraft this time. I'm not going to call the game shit or cry about great it was in the Good Ole Days of Vanilla because that is fucking retarded.

If I had to pick ONE feature that hurt it the most to me in the long run, I would say it was making five versions of the same raids Whether its LFR/normal/hard or 10 vs 25, that shit is flat fucking retarded and I hope no game ever goes down that same path. One boss, one encounter. Not this amusement park ride vs HOLY FUCKBALLS HARDCORE for slightly +gooder stat bullshit.

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To Kreugen, I find my survival hunter pretty damn easy to play and decent enough to dps to not give a shit to switch specs. Great AE dps, single target dps isn't horrible.

As for a super easy class to play, my windwalker monk uses like 3 buttons 90% of the time. A few extra are thrown in on longer cooldown stuff, but its pretty much 3 button spam. Oh and AE is especially LOL easy on the windwalker and usually tops the charts (or close).

I do find the classes in WoW to be incredibly boring.

Someone needs to dig up the picture of Kreugan killing Furor with Inte's Sword of Death.

Anyways, re: burn-out...I found just playing casually and doing primarily LFR is typically more relaxing. I got to the point where I just didn't like having Job #2 after my RL job after doing the raid game thing for so damned long. Be here on at this time for this raid, you have to stay for X hours, you can't just leave if you get tired of it in the middle of the raid, "required" vent, etc. I just find playing at my own pace and doing occasional things with my MMO friends is more enjoyable then feeling that you "have" to do things on certain nights of the week.

Kreugen_sl said:

The game is just buried under its own weight at this point. Too many skills piled on top of other skills, leading to both PVE and PVP gameplay that is just too annoying to enjoy. There may be a class out there that is still both powerful and fun while not overburdened by pointless overcomplication and bloat but I sure as hell don't have the interest left to find it.

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I'll second survival hunter. But that's with the caveat that it's simple in comparison to other classes. They added two and a half rotational abilities in MoP (Dire Beast and Glaive Toss. Arcane Shot kind of, as that was in the rotation once you had 2 piece t13) and two cool-downs (A Murder of Crows and Stampede). I watch my buttons significantly more than I did in Cata.

That said, good luck trying to convince people merely of the exsistence of bloat. The discussions I have devolve to accusing me of wanting to be a frost mage in MC again, as if there isn't some happy medium between the two.

Went to Dalaran on my Monk today and it made me very sad. Dalaran is probably the best-designed most interesting 'city' ever conceived for an MMO. Compact and efficient yet still possessing lots of character and unique architecture that made it look like an actual interesting place.

Now its just an empty worn-out husk with trainers shoved in where they shouldnt be because someone was all butt-hurt that people might not want to hang out in Stormwind / Ogrimmar anymore during Cata. I really want to smack whoever has this hardon for those two cities because it is beyond ridiculous. Doubly annoying as MoP has now created new 'cities' to hang out in that are about as poorly designed as can be imagined...yet you still have to go back to Stormwind/Org in order to shop! Seriously if you are so bent out of shape about people visiting your decade old crap art then maybe you should have taken the time to update that shit for MoP instead of leaving it look the same as in Cataclysm... Oh and hey maybe actually look at one of the other cities you included in vanilla and which no one ever goes to!

fuck dalaran, it was laggy as fuck when it was live and iirc you couldn't even fucking fly in it during wotlk? Nah, Shattrah was the bomb - you could fly, it was nicely spread out, and horde and ally existed side by side. Plus the Aldor death elevator was great. The biggest reason for the city splits is performance, by keeping ally and horde seperate and then secondly seperating idlers and AHers/lowbies, you keep the performance better. In early cata, org was laggy as fuuuuck on high pop servers as everyone did everything there. Even now on some servers org gets super laggy a day or two before server maint, and Blizzard really has a hard-on for cross-zone servers to "combine" a bunch of servers as invisible as they can to users - I'm sure auction houses are next on that, low pop servers already sometimes combine org/sw/IF.

and yeah, kruegen, your big problem is raiding. I'm too old to listen to some McDonalds server tell me what to do for 20 hours a week or listen to the completely inane chatter that consists 90% of the word fag, dick, and American Inventor. Just like Cybsled, once you make LFR your "endgame" the game is a lot more fun and relaxing, and you get to do all the shit YOU want instead of being part of some faceless random team of incompetents who end up at 90% turnover within 3 months. It is totally weird reading about how getting rid of wow is somehow part of your mental wellness though...

Why would it be weird. Something he was enjoying turned shitty so he's cutting it out. He's going WoW Sober bro.

spronk_sl said:

fuck dalaran, it was laggy as fuck when it was live and iirc you couldn't even fucking fly in it during wotlk? Nah, Shattrah was the bomb - you could fly, it was nicely spread out, and horde and ally existed side by side. Plus the Aldor death elevator was great. The biggest reason for the city splits is performance, by keeping ally and horde seperate and then secondly seperating idlers and AHers/lowbies, you keep the performance better. In early cata, org was laggy as fuuuuck on high pop servers as everyone did everything there. Even now on some servers org gets super laggy a day or two before server maint, and Blizzard really has a hard-on for cross-zone servers to "combine" a bunch of servers as invisible as they can to users - I'm sure auction houses are next on that, low pop servers already sometimes combine org/sw/IF.

and yeah, kruegen, your big problem is raiding. I'm too old to listen to some McDonalds server tell me what to do for 20 hours a week or listen to the completely inane chatter that consists 90% of the word fag, dick, and American Inventor. Just like Cybsled, once you make LFR your "endgame" the game is a lot more fun and relaxing, and you get to do all the shit YOU want instead of being part of some faceless random team of incompetents who end up at 90% turnover within 3 months. It is totally weird reading about how getting rid of wow is somehow part of your mental wellness though...

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I agree with the raiding part. I'm too old at this point to listen to that shit.

although it was either your comp or connection at that time as I was on MG and it wasn't that bad. yeah it was a pain in the ass at times that you could not fly in dal, but that at least made it seem realistic. likewise being able to fly in shat made that realistic as well.

this game has just gone down the monotony band wagon. sure the new shit is cool in it's own right, but there is just little drive anymore.

hoping eqn or ff14.2 is something worth looking into and get lost in for a little while.

I don't think the game is Kruegen's problem.

If he had a solid guild of people who could handle the content, he'd be very happy.

They've attracted the drooling retard masses... you will 100% be guilded with a few of them. Even worse, things are changed to meet their expectations.. which people like us generally will not enjoy.

Nah I was happy with the guild and the progress we were making.http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/us/sen-jin/Big+Crits10 HMs down in a 3-day, 12 hour a week guild is pretty damn good in my book. The raid schedule was pretty much what I had always wanted. Unfortunately the game itself had too man annoyances for it to be fun - especially in the post-Celexa world where everything seems to piss me off.

Granted, there were a few people that would consistently struggle to stay alive but that's any guild. (EDIT: I look back at Vizier logs and lol, holy fuck, how is it even fucking possible to not only die to rings on the first platform, but die to them on near 50% of the reps holy shit) Some of the people we had quit recently were because of those few people. But we weren't trying to be fucking Blood Legion so what can you do. But christ, I never died or cauterized on rings outside of the invisible fucks when crossing over the fog and my care level was near zero at that point. So I guess no, failure wasn't helping. But that's hard modes - the worst shit Blizzard ever did to the game. Yay I wiped 110 times for +gooder on this identical item! But, what's the fun in beating the pussy mode? You didn't win the "Real" mode.

Felt the same way about reading ICC 25/ICC 25 hard and even (especially) Yogg Saron. Such is the curse of individual brilliance.

Then again, I was only really doing that to get stuff to get PvP gear.

Thankfully there appears to be almost no reason to PvE for PvP anymore. Every single season, there was that "need to get" PvE shit to be optimal as a warrior.

I don't think talking about PvP is going to make you feel any better so I'll just stop.

If you're trying to remove stress from your life, raiding in WoW is a great thing to remove.

Quick question - a friend of mine just started WOW again and came back to a hacked account (even though he had the authenticator installed on his phone, too). He contacted customer service (EU) and they refunded him with a couple shitty items and 50 gold pieces, claiming they do not keep records for more than 2 months (his hack happened in 2011 - his account was inactive for over a year).

I was hacked once and I remember them not refunding all my gear and none of my gold too. But I had read from someone on these boards (well the old boards) that you could escalate the claim somehow. I had and my gear had been fully returned with gold and all. I do not remember how I proceeded though. Does anyone have any advice? Do they really keep records only for 2 months? I find that really hard to believe.