World of Warcraft: Current Year

Blazin_sl said:

Started using recount today and now wish I hadn't so far the least zone wide dmg number for me as the TANK is 44% I knew I was doing most of the work prior to seeing the numbers but now get to see just how bad most of these players who are doing random dungeon find are. I only had 2 DPS'ers do at least half my dmg today running dungeons pretty much non stop all afternoon. Just finished one where I had 1.2million next closest person was 235k. I have been playing wow now for a total of one week. I have played a lot of mmo's before but this player base skill level is abysmal. I'm hoping that once i get to 90 there will be at least some increased level of competency among players or this will be a short lived experiment into a new game.

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This isn't a complete lack of DPS not knowing which buttons to push. Tanks do a FUCKTON of damage at low levels. Spend some time in your dps spec and run the same dungeons and watch as your uber geared arse gets slammed by green geared tanks. Tanks have a shitload of AoE and the scaling is way the fuck off at low levels (see Itzena's comment about Blood Boil scaling at 63 compared to 90). I'm leveling a full BoA geared assassination rogue at the moment at 24, doing about 250 dps single target. Paladin tanks do that much, so do warriors. They can also AoE, and I can't (worth a shit anyway). It's just a fucking joke that tanks get scaled that high to start with, or more to the point, it's a fucking joke that shitcunt Timmy thinks he's top shit because his brewmaster can 3 button spam half of a groups dps. Not because he's good, but by virtue of his classes scaling and design. You won't be pullling anywhere near that kind of damage once the DPS classes start getting all their toys. Shit, Shadow Priests don't get Mind Sear till 76, meaning any class with AoE will out damage them in a dungeon.

Haha well, least I feel better now. I've only run one dungeon. At the end the tank posted a parse showing him doing (coincidentally) 44% damage, while I was at like 25-28%, so I just never bothered doing another figuring I had no clue how to play my class (which is partially true, since I can use 3 buttons to solo everything as a Hunter, so I usually forget about all the other abilities even when using them would be good).

Yeah (so far) this game is easy as shit, which would bore the fuck out of me in any other game, but I'm busy collecting pets so /shrug it's fun. 61 atm so we'll see how it goes as I get higher.

Remember: The game isn't balanced at all at lower levels as the game has aged. Beyond gear mudflation and stat/ability scaling, there are also other things like doing bonus damage in LFD if you do a random dungeon. How a class does even at 85 will not be indicative of how the class plays at 90.

Tanks outdmg dps all the time in the 5mans. You're pulling all the trash and doing AE abilities and gaining the benefit of vengeance. Look at the parses for the single target boss fights...doubt you're doing 44% of the dmg there unless you are just super-geared compared to the dps.

Blazin_sl said:

I'm wasn't talking about class balance at various levels but complete fuckery kind of game play. I probably should have used a different metric than DPS. Even something like total attack time, the bad players will stand there for 2 fights in a row doing nothing, or wander around looking for a box to click while you clear. It's not rare it's all the damn time. To the guy saying he did 25% that would be awesome and not something to complain about, but if he did 25 and the tank did 44 that means the other 3 did around 10% a piece. When the healer out does a DPS role the problem is not class in-balance it's a complete lack of basic motor function. For more anecdotal evidence it seems to be casters and hunters who are most often just total shit. I thought maybe mages just have a hard time in the 50s but then I grouped with a guy who did around 700dps zone wide at 52 which seems to be more than acceptable. Next round the mage does under 200dps. Despite the lack of AoE's I get excited now when I see a rogue because more often than not they at least stay with the group and help kill shit. I'm going to stick with it to 90 my original rant was just saying I hope it improves I like melting faces with a competent group of players, I find it fun and the reason I'm playing the game in the first place.

To Sabbat you take what I say to mean I think I'm top shit, ignoring my whole pt that I want to play with someone else who is going to be top shit. I can't wait till some DPS who has all his toys and knows what he is doing comes around, I love that. You seem to have some pent up epeen issues.

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Dude it's the Christmas, you are probably outdpsing somebody's grandparents

Anyone been having issues installing this piece of shit? I remember the launcher always giving me some grief in the past when doing a clean install, with slow speeds and whatnot, but here I can't get the damn thing to download properly. The launcher starts, it will download at decent speeds (3mb/s sometimes) for a minute and then stop dead. P2P speed stays low (a few kb/s) so I tried turning that off - no luck. Tried in safe mode with NW - no luck. Even turned off my damn firewall at some point I was so pissed.

I got it to about 6.5% / a few gigs before it stopped working completely.

Any idea?

I hope that wasn't a "vanilla wow was better" post because my desk can't take another beating.

I know I asked a few pages ago whose good at soloing old raids; But are any healers, specifically, good at it?

Big W Powah!_sl said:

I know I asked a few pages ago whose good at soloing old raids; But are any healers, specifically, good at it?

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Druids, Monks and Pallys. Pallys the best of the three, imo.

Blazin_sl said:

I'm wasn't talking about class balance at various levels but complete fuckery kind of game play.... Despite the lack of AoE's I get excited now when I see a rogue because more often than not they at least stay with the group and help kill shit. I'm going to stick with it to 90 my original rant was just saying I hope it improves I like melting faces with a competent group of players, I find it fun and the reason I'm playing the game in the first place.

To Sabbat you take what I say to mean I think I'm top shit, ignoring my whole pt that I want to play with someone else who is going to be top shit. I can't wait till some DPS who has all his toys and knows what he is doing comes around, I love that. You seem to have some pent up epeen issues.

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If you like to group with great players either join a guild or find some friends (you can cross realm group, just not cross faction). Randoming dungeons is just like gambling, some times it's a winner, more often it's a loser. If you're in the 30-40 range and want a Horde rogue to random with send me a PM and you can out damage me anytime (except on bosses, I should win. =D ).

I wasn't aiming "shitcunt Timmy on his brewmaster" at you, it's a blanket assessment of tanks that whine when they out damage the DPS, and don't pose the question "why". It's also aimed at any tank that hasn't played a DPS at the same level range, and don't ask the question "why".

I did some runs and started screenshotting the DPS/damage and activity from players (recount shows average uptimes), I looked at the ability list on most of the under performers and paid attention to what they did in the group. First group was three guys all similar names from the same server, warrior tank, bm hunter and a frost mage. Tank out damaged me by a fair margin but the hunter and the mage sucked. Then it clicked, the guy was three-boxing, they all auto-followed his tank. I asked about this, then 5 minutes later the tank responded "yes, sorry didn't see that comment" I dropped the group instantly.

Next group, tank goes afk during the first boss, and just after it, we wait 5 minutes then kick him. Myself and the warlock pet tank the next boss while we wait for a tank. During this time the mage in the group has gotten himself killed inside the instance twice nowhere near us, and spirit resses, to join us and pull an amazing 35dps for the rest of the instance. I'm almost certain that the mage was a bot. Botting is out of fucking control in WoW at the moment, it's way higher than it was in Wrath. BGs are almost unplayable because of it.

Next group, tanks doing most of the leg work, but he won't stop pulling, so it's damned near impossible for either me as melee or the casters to put any dps on the shit he's pulling. One dude leaves the party and is replaced with another rogue, I'm doing twice this guys damage. So I check recount to see what's up. Sure as shit, he's using abilities he should not be. Spamming Sinister Strike and Mutilate is NOT how you play a rogue.

Some times it's just people playing the wrong spec with the wrong gear. Like rogues that spec Sub for dungeons because Simcraft has them on top for rogue DPS and wondering why they are getting pounded.

Long story short, sure, players are bad, but it's impossible to make this game any easier. Between terrible players, bots that pretend to be players, multi-boxers that just suck up group space, people playing specs/classes because of Simcraft numbers and tanks doing a crazy load of damage it's not hard to see why you're seeing these massive difference in performance.

Apologies, that was way longer than intended.

Tanks are going to be top or near top DPS until you get to top end gear. This is due to the shit scaling blizz has right now for atk/spell power for dps classes. Tanks are high on AOE and in the middle of every pull. That's about it, really. I'm levelling another monk on a diff server to be in a guild with RL friends. I LFD as DPS, but half the time I just use brewmaster spec and my dps doubles. Go figure.

Fingz_sl said:

Druids, Monks and Pallys. Pallys the best of the three, imo.

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And they can do this in healer spec and healer gear?