World of Warcraft: Current Year

Got 8 M2/M3 done with a controller, pretty smooth for the most part. Just lacking one 606 piece and a 2nd set piece.

Not sure how far I can take it up the M scale. Any guidelines on what level key to join?

BoozeCube said:

You are still fucking over groups with a controller play. Busting keys left and right I bet.

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I did 10 keys and cleared 8.

1 bust was a Necrotic Wake M4 where it seemed the healer couldn't keep the DPS alive along enough on the 2nd boss. No flaming directed at anyone and no issues on M2.

1 bust was City of Echoes M2 1st boss where the group couldn't move out of the purple puddle quickly enough and kept dying. They did actually blame me for being slow but seemed like they wanted to stay behind the boss for DPS and wouldn't move out of the puddle using their own brain, I wasn't taking damage and they couldn't explain the issue. I just went right back in 1 minite later with a different group and cleared the whole thing no issues.

I'm not claiming I'm perfect but zero issues are being caused by my input method.

You need to ask yourself how someone as apparently stupid as me is clearing all this content as a tank and why you are playing a game that retards are succeeding at.

I have a pretty good setup, thinking about maybe streaming a clear to show it.

Chris said:

I did 10 keys and cleared 8.

1 bust was a Necrotic Wake M4 where it seemed the healer couldn't keep the DPS alive along enough on the 2nd boss. No flaming directed at anyone and no issues on M2.

1 bust was City of Echoes M2 1st boss where the group couldn't move out of the purple puddle quickly enough and kept dying. They did actually blame me for being slow but seemed like they wanted to stay behind the boss for DPS and wouldn't move out of the puddle using their own brain, I wasn't taking damage and they couldn't explain the issue. I just went right back in 1 minite later with a different group and cleared the whole thing no issues.

I'm not claiming I'm perfect but zero issues are being caused by my input method.

You need to ask yourself how someone as apparently stupid as me is clearing all this content as a tank and why you are playing a game that retards are succeeding at.

I have a pretty good setup, thinking about maybe streaming a clear to show it.

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Can you use one of those setups that point the camera at your hands?

Hell you might even get a strong following on twitch even if it is just people coming to troll you.

Chris said:

Got 8 M2/M3 done with a controller, pretty smooth for the most part. Just lacking one 606 piece and a 2nd set piece.

Not sure how far I can take it up the M scale. Any guidelines on what level key to join?

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I feel like there is an algorithm that theyre using that puts everyone into their own ranking in Mythic+. With that said: Four's dont really seem to change anything that would be out of the norm. But a lot of the mechanics start to one shot you.

Unlike FFXIV, you gotta remember this is fucking WoW and even though the telegraph ends a foot away from you - its edge is girating so you might actually be standing in the bad and think you're in the clear. The Mythics like Mists of Tirna Scithe are going to be far easier in this regard because its had countless revisions. But Stonevault has so much shit on the floor for 2 out 3 bosses - that its a bit ridiculous that the telegraphs arent picture fucking perfect. Machinist in SV drags a square out, and you sidestep it into a corner to avoid the waves and the blocks AOE.. and you'll still die to the blocks AOE if you're not far enough out of it.

As far as the controller - props to you for doing it. I couldnt do it, and I wouldnt prefer to have anyone in my group do it as well. But I dont expect you to change, so its pointless to shit on you about it. I brought up the above about telegraphs because you need to be "picture perfect" in this little bitty fucking spot, in a moments notice, and.. shit man, even playing COD or Halo - it takes me just a moment longer to get in that "spot" than it would if I was just using a KB/mouse.

Yeah but are you using foot pedals like Tuco ?

They didn't say anything about further changes to scaling, but T8 delves have been very doable solo the last few days as Arcane. Either they did something or the difference between 590 and 598 ilevel is a weird power law.

Qhue said:

They didn't say anything about further changes to scaling, but T8 delves have been very doable solo the last few days as Arcane. Either they did something or the difference between 590 and 598 ilevel is a weird power law.

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Daidraco and I two manned 8 T8 ones for vault yesterday as Fury/Destro, its totally doable again like the first few days you just have to use abilities.

I feel like I'm under geared for m2s as bear at 580 with 580 healer. Although stonevault seems like a mother fucker in general. Did Tirna easy enough but I know that dungeon like the back of my hand (although the last boss don't remember having a suck in mechanic and the first trash pull seemed harder)

Penance said:

Can you use one of those setups that point the camera at your hands?

Hell you might even get a strong following on twitch even if it is just people coming to troll you.

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Not going to do that but the key inputs are visible on the UI, it's a "cross hotbar" not regular ones. It's similar to PoE on controller.

Daidraco said:

As far as the controller - props to you for doing it. I couldnt do it, and I wouldnt prefer to have anyone in my group do it as well. But I dont expect you to change, so its pointless to shit on you about it. I brought up the above about telegraphs because you need to be "picture perfect" in this little bitty fucking spot, in a moments notice, and.. shit man, even playing COD or Halo - it takes me just a moment longer to get in that "spot" than it would if I was just using a KB/mouse.

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I think there's just a lot of misconceptions about controller play, in theory both ways are as accurate for movement but I prefer dual stick. I guess it depends on if you have console or PC muscle memory.

The big difference is moving while inputting abilities and hotkey memory which is tricker with keyboard/mouse imo.

It's Blizzards fault, I haven't seen any discussion about this in FF14 which has controller UI baked in as an option. For WoW you still have to use a janky mod and it takes a bit of tweaking to get right, my setup is pretty good now though.

I realise people are skeptical and it's up to me to prove it as an option. That's why I'm doing M+

Chris said:

Not going to do that but the key inputs are visible on the UI, it's a "cross hotbar" not regular ones. It's similar to PoE on controller.


I think there's just a lot of misconceptions about controller play, in theory both ways are as accurate for movement but I prefer dual stick. I guess it depends on if you have console or PC muscle memory.

The big difference is moving while inputting abilities and hotkey memory which is tricker with keyboard/mouse imo.

It's Blizzards fault, I haven't seen any discussion about this in FF14 which has controller UI baked in as an option. For WoW you still have to use a janky mod and it takes a bit of tweaking to get right, my setup is pretty good now though.

I realise people are skeptical and it's up to me to prove it as an option. That's why I'm doing M+

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Just to understand correctly, you're doing Mythic +2's in an effort to highlight that controller play is viable and have a fail rate of about 20% thus far?

Man no wonder my pugs are so difficult. Guys like this queueing up.

Tuco said:

What class are you and if it's DPS, how do you rank in your group? Beating an encounter isn't compelling in itself, we pretty much all have long term chiropractic bills from carrying bags of potatoes through hard content. If you demonstrate efficacy either in logs or vids, it's much more convincing. Note that i am parachuting here since ritley tqgged me.

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Demon Hunter Tank.

BoozeCube said:

I am sure the total of 4 abilities he uses in combat is all you really need in this game. Not to mention whatever levels of fuckup he has to do for any positioning or placing any ground abilities.

It quickly explains why healing was so difficult for him as well.

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Probably missing something but I think I'm using 13 abilities in a typical encounter then 5 more situational?

I have 42 buttons hotkeyed and I'm using about 31 of the availiable slots right now.

Healing was just undergearing I think, damage seemed too spiky and heals too weak for me to enjoy it. Targeting is super easy, it's just direction buttons which uses up 4 hotkey slots. You have time to select your next target during the GCD.

Voldeth said:

Just to understand correctly, you're doing Mythic +2's in an effort to highlight that controller play is viable and have a fail rate of about 20% thus far?

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Is it typical for every pug to complete things in the first week when it's their first try? Maybe you play with 4 pro friends, fair enough, but I don't think you can claim that random internet people are not capable of fucking up and it's just me.

Chris said:

Is it typical for every pug to complete things in the first week when it's their first try? Maybe you play with 4 pro friends, fair enough, but I don't think you can claim that random internet people are not capable of fucking up and it's just me.

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Yes it is. In fact, as you're playing the class and spec that manages the group's pace, I'd say that any failure at such a low key is most heavily influenced by you and a singular failure is worth laughing at. As it relates to who i play with, I've pugged and pushed keys at the start of every season for several expansions. You are doing keys at a level that is intended for bad players and provides so much leeway that even if a player were to disconnect you could still comfortably clear it if you, the vengeance tank, 'got good'.

Chris said:

The big difference is moving while inputting abilities and hotkey memory which is tricker with keyboard/mouse imo.

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My 20 button MMO mouse (G600) took care of any issue related to this.

Having 36 buttons (3 hotbars) using left Shift/CTRL under the pinky was a game changer, although using more than 24 buttons, especially when playing 2 or 3 alts an xpac was usually the max I wanted to memorize. I can't picture playing WoW without a G600 but it gets uncomfortable when doing/playing anything else for a long period of time.

Also, if your looking for better efficiency and you haven't found it yet, there used to be Addons that would show you the pull route through dungeons that the "pros" use for 100% and various skips.

Voldeth said:

Yes it is. In fact, as you're playing the class and spec that manages the group's pace, I'd say that any failure at such a low key is most heavily influenced by you and a singular failure is worth laughing at. As it relates to who i play with, I've pugged and pushed keys at the start of every season for several expansions. You are doing keys at a level that is intended for bad players and provides so much leeway that even if a player were to disconnect you could still comfortably clear it if you, the vengeance tank, 'got good'.

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I'm on 11/14 now so 21.5% failure rate now!

The new fail was the healer disconnecting in the Tirna Scithe maze, could self heal enough for the maze but I couldn't heal raid wides on the boss so the four of us had to restart and cleared it with a different healer.

Now what is the button on my keyboard that manages the internet connection of the healer? You have an extremely toxic take here.

Just did two M4s, I can still get better at the game but seemed like they were at the edge of the capability of the groups. Gear seems like the main thing to clear higher keys now.

Did 4 delves tonight at t8 on my guardian druid. 3 of the 4 chests were cloaks (shitty crit/mastery too). Same thing happened on my warrior. Their weighting for this seems odd and/or fixed. Hard to believe that's pure rng.

Just got a cloak from a T8 map run. Would be nice if there was an algorithm to detect low level slots and add a little priority on the roll.