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Palum

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So I haven’t been following WoW in a long time. Is the expansion actually good?
If good means not terrible then yes. It's pretty much Dawntrail for WoW.

1) Annoying DEI insert female character that takes up too much oxygen in the story
2) New multi expac story cycle so starting from scratch
3) Basic mechanics in a good place but nothing mind blowing new
4) Content amount and quality is exactly as expected with no surprises
5) More focus on refining how to meet midcore player content needs at various levels of success

Now that those refreshed systems from DF largely survive intact into TWW, there's less general patience for the work they are obviously putting into everything under the hood because we just had an expansion where the overall quality was sacrificed to fix those core systems. Stuff like warbands, sure they're cool but... at what cost? It doesn't really add anything for me so obviously I would have preferred those resources poured into making delves better frankly.
 
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pysek

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So I haven’t been following WoW in a long time. Is the expansion actually good?
In the sense that if you've been eating shit and someone gives you rat burger, it's an improvement.
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How hungry are you?
 
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Chris

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So I haven’t been following WoW in a long time. Is the expansion actually good?
Yes.

I skipped Shadowlands patch content and Dragonflight so some of the changes are new to me and old to some people, which is why some are less positive.

Leveling is retard easy, but there's lots to do with rare spawns, professions and treasures. Same it's been since Pandaria really.

Class design is inconsistent, so you need to look for a class/spec you enjoy.

Delves are interesting new solo/small group content, can be used for levelling and endgame gearing (limits how many per week though). It's a fixed version of scenarios/island expeditions.

Mythic+ is fun timed dungeons to get endgame gear/upgrade gear and is filling up my time. Slightly toxic and it's probably worth playing as a tank to get into groups.

Raids have fun mechanics and puggable for the first few difficulties.

World feels more "Warcraft" with two Dwarf zones (think Loch Modan and Searing Gorge) and a Nerubian zone. There's a new half elf empire that's shown up in a giant cavern with some sort of Naaru crystal illuminating it that looks incredible.

Story has too many diverse girlbosses but the new antagonist is interesting and there's some nice new characters like Dagran.

FF14 still has better dungeons and raids but not enough variety imo and the rest of Dawntrail is terrible, so WoW is on top again.
 
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So I haven’t been following WoW in a long time. Is the expansion actually good?

-Zones are varied and well done.... you may think "Its all underground so its all long tunnels, but its not. Hallowfall may be the best looking zone they have done period.
-All classes are viable and all 3 specs are generally viable as well with outliers getting tuned next patch (October). The hero talents ended up being impactful and vastly change playstyles even within specs
-Dungeons are greatly varied and make use of flying and multiple routes that are left up to the players. They are challenging for the casual player at m0 and scale quickly for the sweat lords
-I haven't done it but from all accounts the 1st raid has been given high praise like most raids. The Race To World First is still ongoing so at the highest difficulty its HARD.
-Dragonflying is still dope
-Lots to do weekly for the average player. I play more then most and I am not ever sitting in town afk.
-Story is probably what people focus on cause its easy to throw cheap shots. Blizz showcases everyone big/small/color/etc. I don't care about it at all, but some people pretend to care, WoW was never about the story regardless of Rosecolored glasses. Its more noticeable in FF14 cause the story is the game.
-Delves have been well done and provide challenge to all types that are into it. Needs more iteration but its a great start.
-Seeing lots of Earthen, so people like playing a stone dwarf.
-More of a DF thing but the Evoker class is A+, they really nailed it. The dragons look stupid but they knocked that class out of the park.
-Altholics seem to love warbands and they have been universally praised. I think people here underestimate how requested that feature was.

Better then: Dragonflight? Apparently. Shadowlands? God yes. BFA? Miles. Legion? Aestetics aside YES! People forgot the Artifact grind and the terrible legendary system that bricked characters. Legion was the STORY expansion with great raids. This is the shit to do expansion with better mechanics.

There's a forum guild that keeps logging in. I am sure there are many not in that guild on here that play too. I am having fun more or less within 5 man / solo content when I am not dipping down to keys I shouldn't be doing and playing with people who drive me bananas. I do not feel ripped off of 40 bucks or whatever at all.

I try to think of why people love TBC and WoTLK so much and compare it to this. I think shit took longer back in the day and there was less people doing high end raids so you could see someone with IDK Kil'jaden shit in TBC and be like wow they are awesome. I think WoW Classic TBC and WoTLK really jaded people cause EVERYONE had that shit, and it was all gamed out. People dont play WoW the same way anymore even when given the option to, they were GREAT expansions for 2007 and 2008 but compared to what WoW is now, its very simple, very easy and very grindy. A m0 dungeon now would have caused people to quit over the difficulty if it existed back then.

Like woo Sunwell gear so cool, I can go get into a GDKP pug and clear everyhting with minimal effort and buy everything. Yea game was real hard there fellas. We all just sucked at it, Great expansion guys.
 
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Penance

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When it comes to the "best" spec for various purposes, proper rotation, and stat weights*, Discord is updated much faster and more often over WoWhead. At least in the Discords I used, the latest theory crafting was usually pinned somewhere for easy reference. This is especially important when Bliz is adjusting numbers every week, like at the start of the Xpac.

*Raidbots used to be the best for getting stat weights, dunno if it still is.
Yea but not all discord are created equal. Like Warlock discord is awesome but the Druid discord is full of furries.

Still wowhead is great for starting your class but once you got heroic raid you should probably go to discord if not for the only reason is they have people in their that will critique your logs.
 
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Burns

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A m0 dungeon now would have caused people to quit over the difficulty if it existed back then.

Like woo Sunwell gear so cool, I can go get into a GDKP pug and clear everyhting with minimal effort and buy everything. Yea game was real hard there fellas. We all just sucked at it, Great expansion guys.
Sure, when you had people to carry your scrub ass in a GDKP pug runs, it was easy; all the challenge in the early days was the bleeding edge where no one knew what anything did.

If I were to compare the first week of M0 to the first week of BC, when everyone on the server is fresh to cap, walking into those heroic BC dungeons (Shadow Labs, Shattered Halls, Arcatraz) with blues and greens was more difficult than anything I ever experienced in M0.
 

Qhue

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I think part of the reason I'm enjoying solo delves is that it lets/forces me to use all the various abilities at my disposal to survive and succeed.

Generally speaking if you are in a group setting these days all that matters is DPS sustained/burst and any global cool down that isnt spent doing damage/healing is seen as a mistake. While solo I'm out here using polymorph, ice block etc in a wholly strategic way that's necessary to do it at all. Very reminiscent of early BC where CC was vital in dungeons and everyone had to be on their toes and not just AEing everything with massive pulls.
 

Palum

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How would you say they compared to pre nerfed version of Shattered Halls Heroic back in TBC?
Honestly M0 isn't hard except because of the way people play. The issues are the same, people not using hard cc, poor gear on tanks and poor healers not using CDs, uncoordinated and shitty DPS. It's a tale as old as time. SH heroic had a timer as well so better compared to M+.
 

Daidraco

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Forum guild running heroic raids by chance? What days/time if so?
The raid force is mostly guild members, but we've got a consistent few that are from other guilds. We were dicking around in Normal until we beat it last week, 8/8. Then this week we cleared Normal in about an hour and moved over to Heroic for the rest of the night and did 4/8 there. All are welcome, Wednesday's at 5pm PST / 8pm Est. Pretty hard cut off after four hours though. 10pst / 12est is bedtime for most of them. We didnt have a lot of interest when we were doing normal, usually having 11-14 people. But as soon as we were downing bosses in Heroic, we had more people asking to join us / come raid. I get it though - normal raiding doesnt really bring any item level upgrades to the table. Its overall a waste of time in my head other than the comradery and experience.

We dont use the Forum's discord though. Every time we did in the beginning, we'd have some nerd rage neck beard come in and talk shit about WoW and it just got old real fast, real quick. I'd ask Lightning Lord Rule Lightning Lord Rule about it, and it deserves some attention? I guess? But we're using the SOD guild's Discord currently. Which is a bit of an annoyance because Im not jumping through the hoops that that guild has in place to join, just to be able to use a discord when I want to.

So I haven’t been following WoW in a long time. Is the expansion actually good?
W/o some long drawn out post talking about shit you dont know anything about cause you arent playing - Nobody has quit yet, as you can see. I drag people through tier 8 delves all the time, and I'd do it for you to pal. Whether its because their class or they just want company, idc.
 
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Chris

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Hit purple rating in Mythic+ and starting to clear +6. Aim is to +6 them all today and then get into +7 to start getting more Hero gear tomorrow.

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BoozeCube BoozeCube you weasel still waiting for your rating.
 

Chris

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LOL I got this American Inventor so triggered he is taking pictures of his monitor. Araysar Araysar this is how you do it.
You're seething about my controller and weaseling out of showing your own competence. I am steadfastly backing up my word that it's a viable and good choice.

Just did Siege of Boralus ++6