Writers Guild Strike 2023

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Disney CEO Bob Iger calls actors and writers 'unrealistic' in contract demands​



"It's very disturbing to me," Iger said. "We've talked about disruptive forces on this business and all the challenges that we're facing and the recovery from COVID — which is ongoing, it's not completely back. This is the worst time in the world to add to that disruption."

Without providing specifics, Iger said the expectations of the writers and actors are "just not realistic" and that their job actions are "adding to a set of challenges that this business is already facing that is quite frankly very disruptive and dangerous."
 
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Lanx said:
as a survivor fan, no survivor came out in 2000 and copied a reeality swede show from 97
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aight, let me use more words. There were strikes in 88 and 2007. 88 was the big one, I had forgotten about 2007. After 88, networks started exploring more reality shows that didn't need writers. You got things like MTV's the Real World in 1992. I doubt that was the first one, but it's the first one I remember (if you discount prank shows like candid camera). Those kind of came along slowly and I'll take your word for it that survivor started in 2000. In 2007 when they striked again, everything but survivor was in reruns and the popularity took off. Whatever station was carrying it made a goddamn killing. That made networks want to ramp up the reality shows. That's what I was talking about.

I said shows like survivor, not specifically survivor itself.
 
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bored and looked it up
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some lists count the 7 up series (1964) but it is a series of tv movies that come out every 7 years.
 
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lol the actors are taking this to ludicrous speed. thats such good news for youtube creators. and really a great opportunity to make your own Youtube movies.
 
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Last time? Yes they did. I remember David Letterman's Top 10 list almost always had at least one entry that was unavailable due to the writer's strike.

Dunno if this has been brought up yet, but the last strike gave us reality TV garbage like survivor. Can't wait to see what fresh hell this one brings. I'm rooting for AI scripts. I know we already discussed that, but it really seems like the best likely outcome.
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Are you talking about the commercial actor strike? Because Survivor came out 7 years before the last writer's strike
 
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Which day would these projects not have gotten past story board?
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2000s era. I feel like the sharp decline happened around 2016ish. They woukd have not gone through like they did, at least Not with the kinda budgets these shows had.

Granted I'm really bitter about ROP, and it's all subjective and conjecture anyway. But these shows have gone from a couple bad plot holes to something that was probably written by the high school drama class.
 
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It is very funny that the writers/actors pick now to strike...when theater attendance is rapidly declining and most people under 40 watch less than TV than since it was invented. Do you know what would help Hollywood? A salary CAP. Cannot pay huge stars more than xxx per movie. Remind them that until 50 years ago actors rated right above prostitutes on the jobs you respect and admire scale.
 
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actors main points
  • Economic Fairness - more $ due to shorter seasons and irregular release schedules, more $ toward health/retirement plans
  • Residuals - more $$$
  • AI - "bargain protections against misuse, and ensure consent and fair compensation for the use of your work to train AI systems and create new performances"
  • Self-taped Auditions - rules and limitations, and access to other casting formats
so like the writers, they want viewer data which my understanding netflix isn't budging on. would guess the other streamers don't want those numbers to get out either.
read they could make side deals with companies that agree till a main deal can be reached.
 
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OU Ariakas said:
It is very funny that the writers/actors pick now to strike...when theater attendance is rapidly declining and most people under 40 watch less than TV than since it was invented. Do you know what would help Hollywood? A salary CAP. Cannot pay huge stars more than xxx per movie. Remind them that until 50 years ago actors rated right above prostitutes on the jobs you respect and admire scale.
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This connects to my previous question regarding the kind of leverage these striking Hollywood writers and actors have. They are activists promoting a particular agenda through various films and TV shows. This is leading to audience disinterest. So why should these companies pay them more, only to risk increased financial losses?
 
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Hollywood studios proposed using AI to scan and own extras' likenesses forever

SAG-AFTRA has revealed that Hollywood studios made a proposal to use AI in order to scan extras' likenesses for use in perpetuity. Read more.
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During a press conference, SAG-AFTRA National Executive Director and Chief Negotiator Duncan Crabtree-Ireland said that the AMPTP made a so-called “groundbreaking” AI proposal that would allow the likenesses of film and television background performers to be used in perpetuity.
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I think actors may be surprised at how little the public will care about the plight of actors getting automated out of existence.
 
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Can AI actors stick to acting and refrain from expressing political opinions? Then they'll be better than human actors.

Someday actors will be reminded that their job is literally to stand there looking the way the makeup artist made them look, saying words somebody else wrote, the way someone else told them to say them. Its the perfect job for a robot. Its like it was made for a robot to steal.
 
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Aldarion said:
Can AI actors stick to acting and refrain from expressing political opinions? Then they'll be better than human actors.

Someday actors will be reminded that their job is literally to stand there looking the way the makeup artist made them look, saying words somebody else wrote, the way someone else told them to say them. Its the perfect job for a robot. Its like it was made for a robot to steal.
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Honestly, the scripts (or anything) AI spews out will only be as good as the prompts. That in itself is a talent.
 
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Honestly, the scripts (or anything) AI spews out will only be as good as the prompts. That in itself is a talent.
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Hopefully AI will get to the point where more creative folks with good premises can bypass Hollywood and its retarded agenda completely. Otherwise you'll still have the same studio shitheads prompting "black transgender antifascist superwoman hegemony fascist" and get the same shit stories.
 
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With the actors joining them? All of it. Shit like Dial of Destiny cost what? 330 million + 100 in marketing. Why? They were not paying actors stupid money. Ford got what Arnold was making back in the 90's and the movies were 1/4 of that cost at most. The ability to create anything new is now impossible, so its the studios that are stuck unless they all do like Netflix is doing and creating an endless stream of Korean shit but most dont have the ability to.

They can blame the writers / actors all they want but its studio decisions causing Rings of Power to cost 60 million per episode.
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While you are right about the bloated costs of production, I think you're ultimately wrong about the leverage. There hasn't been a time in my life where people care less about TV and movies than today and it shows no signs of suddenly becoming popular with the younger generations.

Also, this is a guild strike so I don't know why non-guild members can't scab it up if the studios get desperate for content. There are plenty of wannabe writers and actors out there that will go for it. Shit, they have a built in supply of attention whores from Twitch, YouTube, etc to pull non-union "talent" from if the going got tough.
 
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ShakyJake said:
Honestly, the scripts (or anything) AI spews out will only be as good as the prompts. That in itself is a talent.
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Sure, but think of all the moderately successful books out there that you can feed into an AI for a screenplay or "adaptation". Then a non-union scab with knowledge of the material can comb through and clean it up. Viola! Movie script with no (union) writers.
 
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Hopefully AI will get to the point where more creative folks with good premises can bypass Hollywood and its retarded agenda completely. Otherwise you'll still have the same studio shitheads prompting "black transgender antifascist superwoman hegemony fascist" and get the same shit stories.
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The Actors Guild (or whoever) has mandated that shows/movies MUST have a certain amount of diversity to be considered for awards. So that's one reason you see a lot of shit where it doesn't even make sense.
 
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