Border Issue

Abefroman_sl said:

From what I see here is that white people are begging for money on every on and off ramp and Circle K and the Brown people are actually working.

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Yea. I'm guessing it's a lot worse closer to the border. But regardless of them working to get spending money, they are still taxing infrastructure they aren't paying into to maintain.

Palum_sl said:

Yea. I'm guessing it's a lot worse closer to the border. But regardless of them working to get spending money, they are still taxing infrastructure they aren't paying into to maintain.

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Most places infrastructure taxes are paid for via stuff that's unavoidable - like sales tax, gas tax, tolls and the like. Services are where they get a "free ride" in such cases though.

Vaclav_sl said:

I'd agree, but that doesn't stop some people from calling it that. (I do love Cecil County though, before I decided to leave the state had a nice house in North East all scoped out - part of that little community on the south side of Turkey Point State Park - literally ZERO access except by water or through the park)

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I'd like to live up there but more for access to the nearby fun mountain biking and nice location for hopping to DC/Balt/Philly and even NYC with a relatively low cost of living. Cecil itself is kind of a shithole, ok if you like to hunt/fish though, but Newark Delaware is nice and you have Wilmington close by for some relatively more urban lifestyle stuff.

Vaclav_sl said:

Most places infrastructure taxes are paid for via stuff that's unavoidable - like sales tax, gas tax, tolls and the like. Services are where they get a "free ride" in such cases though.

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Not really - most of them end up paying income tax (etc) via the false IDs they use but never claim anything back for obvious reasons.

So did we ever get our evidence of riots and flag burning?

Itzena_sl said:

Not really - most of them end up paying income tax (etc) via the false IDs they use but never claim anything back for obvious reasons.

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If by most you mean 1/3 - 1/2, then yeah, that happens. Also, even if you use a fake or stolen # to pay Social Security, for instance, if you can prove it was you all those years, you can still collect, after one of our clockwork amnesties. And the ones who use ITINs can and do get refunds from paying income tax. More than that, The Child Tax Credit - a fully REFUNDABLE credit - is claimed by tons of illegals every year and they actually get checks from the IRS, costing us a few billion $ every year. And that's all totally legal too. Likewise, all they gotta do is pop out kids and boom, now they are taking care of gen-u-ine Americans who qualify for WIC and other services, which help out the parents. Frankly our system is used and abused by these guys to a ridiculous degree and that's why my compassion is long since gone, and I'm for automated machine gun turrets along the border.

Famm_sl said:

I'd like to live up there but more for access to the nearby fun mountain biking and nice location for hopping to DC/Balt/Philly and even NYC with a relatively low cost of living. Cecil itself is kind of a shithole, ok if you like to hunt/fish though, but Newark Delaware is nice and you have Wilmington close by for some relatively more urban lifestyle stuff.

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Yep that's the blend I was hoping for basically - I'm a country boy more or less being raised in Westminster (slightly) before the big push to make it more urban. And previous to that move we lived in Wilmington during my "driving ed" days, so lots of fond memories of all the things to be had in Wilmington/Newark/South Philly. (Hell, was still coming back to hang out with my bro who stayed until about 2004 or so [he's in Naples FL these days - which is on my list to scout as well, but less optimistic of liking it enough]) Plus my parents are retired in the Erikson Community near Longwood, so would cut off about an hour on visiting them if I'd gone there.

But the Cape Canaveral suburbs look even better by those litmus' besides being close to my parents from my current research - boots on the ground rather than just internet research happens in November though. Really, really hoping that Merritt Island meets the impressions I've gotten from online. [Note: Wife and I love being close to water + quite mostly rural areas which it really seems to be, but close to major stuff with Orlando under an hour away]

Big Phoenix_sl said:

Yeah man, every illegal owns a car and fills up their tank every week..

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For the one's that don't walking on roads doesn't really tax that part of infrastructure, now does it? And personally, for the few I've bumped into in Maryland, up here they tend to. (When you go to Home Depot to hire "day labor" here, they're already hanging out IN a truck)

Itzena_sl said:

Not really - most of them end up paying income tax (etc) via the false IDs they use but never claim anything back for obvious reasons.

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I was talking worst (realistic) case scenario, but yea, there's something like $2b+ in taxes paid wrongly each year that is largely assumed to be illegal labor.

Won't have to worry about people coming over the border much longer. We'll make some of them refugees so they don't have to come thru Mexico.

Log In - The New York Times

If approved, the plan would direct the government to screen thousands of children and youths in Honduras to see if they can enter the United States as refugees or on emergency humanitarian grounds.

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OneofOne_sl said:

If by most you mean 1/3 - 1/2, then yeah, that happens. Also, even if you use a fake or stolen # to pay Social Security, for instance, if you can prove it was you all those years, you can still collect, after one of our clockwork amnesties. And the ones who use ITINs can and do get refunds from paying income tax. More than that, The Child Tax Credit - a fully REFUNDABLE credit - is claimed by tons of illegals every year and they actually get checks from the IRS, costing us a few billion $ every year. And that's all totally legal too. Likewise, all they gotta do is pop out kids and boom, now they are taking care of gen-u-ine Americans who qualify for WIC and other services, which help out the parents. Frankly our system is used and abused by these guys to a ridiculous degree and that's why my compassion is long since gone, and I'm for automated machine gun turrets along the border.

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Except they are the ones mostly propping up the birth rates. If you run too many of them out, you'll end up with a Japan situation before long.

Big Phoenix_sl said:

Dems must be really hard up for voters

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Right because refugees can vote.

Long term strat. Every anchor baby they squat out is one more vote for Michele Obama.

Arbitrary_sl said:

Long term strat. Every anchor baby they squat out is one more vote for Michele Obama.

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From what I'm seeing on some quick searches it looks only about 40% of refugees in general choose to file for citizenship. Interesting. But that would be a slight bump, obviously. (And yes, I know you're being sarcastic, but made me curious on how many refugees stay)

You know what's its more like? It's like someone is burning down your neighbors house, so you let them squat at your place a few. Because their home is becoming incredibly violent and unsafe, and they're fleeing it. That's why they're refugees.

Your analogy is possibly the worst ever written.

Here's How The U.S. Sparked A Refugee Crisis On The Border, In 8 Simple Steps

Plenty of facts for you to blindly ignore about how stupid your "teach them how to manage" nonsense is.

Tuco_sl said:

Also keep in mind that citizens who aren't refugees may be more favorable to the party who isn't deporting their family and friends. Of the hispanics in my wife's circle a third are legal citizens, a third are legal residents and a third are illegal (rough guesses), all of them feel the pain when one of the illegals get pinched.

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Not that I disagree at all, but I've also met a lot of Hispanics who dislike the mass illegal immigration that's been going on. Some whose families came over legally, the rest I have no idea.