It's parallel structure, you don't get to take umbrage only at portion of the statement addressed to you. If it pleases your tender sensibilities more, the whole statement can be restructured to use the word "earning". I'll let you work out how.
Company Raises It's Minimum Wage to $70,000 and All Hell Breaks Loose
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Actually one side of that is being willingly paid by an employer or by the market in the case of business owners, the other side is being forcibly redistributed by the government. So I think I do get to take umbrage at one portion of that statement.
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I've worked myself into an odd situation, the standard here in Portland is 50/hour and the techs make 15 to 18 a flagged hour. I've been burned pretty bad before by shops on commission so I took around a 10k a year paycut for guaranteed stability. Our other techs make 50 to 80k a year but put in longer hours and work weekends which I'm unwilling to do.
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Ah, sounds like labor is way more manageable there - in MD last time I talked to a body shop was more like $100/hr. $17/hr doesn't sound that ludicrous for $50/hr going to the shop (and I'd imagine often having two guys on a job).
Well no, since we weren't talking about welfare your argument is plain wrong. The other problem is that you seem to lack the understanding that while you worked hard to earn what you do and should be proud of that accomplishment, you seem to fail to acknowledge your fortune to be a member of a society where that is possible. To you it's only taking from our collective pool when someone else benefits but not yourself.
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If it's minimum wage then you are right, if thats what we're discussing then thats just the federal minimum and thats fine. I actually don't have any problem with raising that minimum wage, I don't know if $15 is the right number but $7.25 is too low. I don't particularly like the idea of a guaranteed minimum income paid for by taxes.
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Once burger flippers get 15 dollars an hour, the more difficult jobs will have to pay more than that to attract qualified workers. Raising min wage will increase wages across the board.
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I believe most guaranteed minimum income plans either dismantle minimum wage completely (reducing labor costs astronomically in return - and making it much easier to pay everyone "what they're worth" since wages just become an amount of luxury afforded at that point rather than actual survival) or tax the first bracket of income drastically to replace that portion of taxes most largely out of their initial portion of income.
So to say they're being "paid out of taxes" can give an inaccurate picture since most if not all people would be paying their own back. [Or are already being "paid" the same via assistance programs like welfare, section 8 and EIC that could be removed for the majority of people]
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Laws most city governments enact don't help either.
For example, if I prepare/cook say a 50lb batch of lasanga for my restraunt and only half this batch is eaten because of unexpected lower demand for lasanga that day, most cities law willforceme to throw it away where it can then be sorted through the dumpster by homeless. I am not allowed to donate the 25lb remaining to a homeless shelter.
Accordingly, there are liability issues. For example buffets are not allowed to let food sit for more than 1.5 hours in most cases, andmustimmediately throw it away. If it went directly to a homeless shelter, and someone got sick, the restaurant is liable. Saying it's solely a "distribution problem" is a bit disingenuous.
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To a degree - I know personally due to the stigma of the career track (and the risk of injury from working around high heat constantly - I'm clumsy) - I'd work something other than burger flipping even if it was a harder job for the same wage. Literally there isn't a wage I'd work a career like that for, personally.
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Generally the plans are to have enough to survive with zero luxuries. And I believe checkups on people that stay out of work longterm are mandated in most plans as well (to verify that they aren't accruing luxuries by gaming the system somehow).
If someone literally wants to live in just survival mode with a tiny roof, very simple foods and basic utilities and nothing more - apparently so however. Most people strive for a better existence however.
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What if they just take the GMI and then use crime to supplement rather than work?
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Thus why I'm pretty sure all of those plans have mentioned using checkups to spot inappropriate lifestyles in such folk. If they're not funded enough for getting TVs and Escalades and they've got TVs and Escalades red flag goes up and you pass it off to law enforcement to figure out if something wrong is going on.
Frankly, the same reasoning that we should be doing (and do to a degree - you have to OK them to do house checkups if they deem fit) with welfare, except since welfare overlaps with working income right now it's basically impossible to monitor fraud.
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What happens when the "inappropriate lifestyles" disparately impact black folks and they sue the agency into oblivion resulting in everyone getting permanent GMI for life with no checkups?
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When did you sell this account to Lumie?
You could apply that nonsensical reasoning to almost anything - it's a slippery slope argument - which is bad debating.
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You don't see how the "inappropriate lifestyles" police going around checking up on people to see if they "deserve" their govt benefits won't be a total fucking train wreck? Really?
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This is how I feel, I feel like a ten dollar minimum wage would be fine but fifteen just seems absurdly high for a federal minimum wage.
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$10 w/ some localities with exceptionally high COL set higher would be perfect IMO. $15/hr in cheap COL areas would be kind ludicrous.