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Tmac said:
So, I spent $4500 on an Origin PC and it was the worst mistake of my entire computer-purchasing-life. The only reason I didn't build my own this time around, is because I didn't want to have to deal with the little headaches when things go wrong from building my own. Boy, am I sucker...

I've had the weirdest issues with it and their support SUCKS. For every problem I've had, they basically recommend that I fix it myself and have made no attempt to make it right.

Things that were wrong out of the box:

1. It takes 2 minutes to boot my PC and I have one of the fastest HD's on the market
- They recommended I do a factory reset
- It consistently takes 2 - 3 minutes to boot

2. I have two GPU's and the second GPU isn't recognized by the system (2x GTX 1070's)
- They told me that the SLI connector they shipped w my system doesn't support my GPU's (WTF?) and that they'd send me a new one when they got them in stock
- They never informed me of this when I bought the PC and only informed me of the issue after I brought it up
- They didn't give a delivery date for the new SLI connector and I've heard nothing from them in over a month

3. The LED remote for my case lights doesn't work
- They essentially told me they were sorry

4. I've had a black screen pop up 3x bc the overclock settings failed. The first failure happened THE DAY I received the PC.
- They recommended I do a factory reset

Am I a crazy person or is it a normal expectation, that when you spend $4500 on a PC, this shit should work flawlessly out of the box?
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Return that shit and/or dispute it with your credit card company. Any way possible, get out of that deal. Omfg... you didn't want to deal with minor shit so you spent an extra $2000? Boy, to have that kind of money to just throw away.
 
Mist

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From what I understand, your standard 6th gen Intel processor (i5 6600k, etc) supports 16 PCIE lanes. If you only have 1 device (1 video card) it has access to all 16 lanes. As soon as you add a 2nd device(2nd video card, an M.2 SSd, whatever) then each of the 2 devices get access to 8 lanes. It gets more complex once you hit 3+ devices, as you could have a vid card with 8 lanes, a SSd with 4 lanes, another device with 4 lanes, etc.

But, for all practical purposes, video cards right now don't need 16 lanes, using 8 lanes is no discernable bottleneck (less than 1% drop in performance). Probably wouldn't be an issue unless you're sporting 2+ video cards and other M.2 PCIE devices as well, you probably don't want a video card reduced to just 4 or 2 lanes.
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It's 24 lanes with a 6000 series processor on a Z170 board.

That lets you use 2x M.2 drives and 2 PCI 3.0 cards at 8x and 8x.
 
Mist

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Well, the M.2s should use 4x each, and then 8x each for the 2 video cards.

That's how it should work, anyway.
 
brekk

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I'm using a pair of Evo 850 256gb in a RAID 0, it was the best solution for higher read/write without dealing with a pcie ssd. I'll hold off on that until my next full build with direct mobo support form m.2 nvme.

Tmac said:
So, I spent $4500
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TMAC said:
2x GTX 1070's
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Synj

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Tmac said:
So, I spent $4500 on an Origin PC and it was the worst mistake of my entire computer-purchasing-life. The only reason I didn't build my own this time around, is because I didn't want to have to deal with the little headaches when things go wrong from building my own. Boy, am I sucker...

I've had the weirdest issues with it and their support SUCKS. For every problem I've had, they basically recommend that I fix it myself and have made no attempt to make it right.

Things that were wrong out of the box:

1. It takes 2 minutes to boot my PC and I have one of the fastest HD's on the market
- They recommended I do a factory reset
- It consistently takes 2 - 3 minutes to boot

2. I have two GPU's and the second GPU isn't recognized by the system (2x GTX 1070's)
- They told me that the SLI connector they shipped w my system doesn't support my GPU's (WTF?) and that they'd send me a new one when they got them in stock
- They never informed me of this when I bought the PC and only informed me of the issue after I brought it up
- They didn't give a delivery date for the new SLI connector and I've heard nothing from them in over a month

3. The LED remote for my case lights doesn't work
- They essentially told me they were sorry

4. I've had a black screen pop up 3x bc the overclock settings failed. The first failure happened THE DAY I received the PC.
- They recommended I do a factory reset

Am I a crazy person or is it a normal expectation, that when you spend $4500 on a PC, this shit should work flawlessly out of the box?
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That sucks so bad man, I'm sorry you're having that experience but I agree with everyone telling you to return that shit now! Shit I'd be willing to bet someone here would build you something as good or better for half the price and throw them $500 to do it and you'll still be at a cost savings. Sucks sucks sucks to pay premium service for subpar bullshit.
 
brekk

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Shit for 2k you could have a system with the brand new Titan.
 
ronne

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Dead horse time but holy fuck, get out of that shit immediately. If you've had those kinds of issues from day one demand a full return/refund and go right to your credit company if they don't comply. If you're with any major bank/credit company they'll back you 100% on that if you've support/chat logs or other documentation to back it up.
 
spronk

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for $4500 you should have had this

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or at least this

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I won't throw shade at buying a premade PC, whatever sometimes $$ > time, but fuck don't spend more than $2200 on a PC ever. Depreciates faster than a car, in 1 year you can buy a system twice as fast for half as much.

Still, if you really don't want to put shit together yourself just find a local PC small shop (there are tons in every city), ask them how much they will charge to assemble a PC and install windows 10, and order all the parts and hand it over and walk out with a custom great PC a day later. Shouldn't be more than $100, $200 if they are supplying the Windows 10 Pro keys.
 
wilkxus

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Droigan said:
Just ordered my first desktop computer in years.
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Graphics card
Gainward GeForce GTX 1080 Phoenix GS
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Been gaming on a laptop for years now, so hopefully the above will give me decent fps again for a little while.
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Looks like a SERIOUS upgrade, it will be a watercooled screamer movign from a laptop.

How long has is been you changed/upgraded the desktop itself?


Personali aside....reading this I'm reminded that serious gaming aside there is VERY little motivation to upgrade my Desktops. Fun has kinda drained out of it for me, everything *just* works.

I have found it easy to be more patient in terms of upgrades and adoption of latest gfx card (Linux OSS drivers are generations behind gaming wise) and cpu (it is just not needed). That painful urge of *damn, I need one of those* pangs has just gone away and been replaced by the occasional itch of curiousity scratched by reading review.


Only thing I would be kind of tempted to play with is the DX12 Asymetric GFX card setup. This might go a long way towards making built in gfx on cpu really usefull for games. A sort of raid for graphics finally! It wll be interesting to see if Steam and Vulcan + help drive and change things for better Linux side compared to this sort of tech gap vs DX12/Win10. I hope it gains traction on Windows with new games, as It might make things a lot more fun in the desktop space if the tech becomes more widely adopted by game companies.


From what I understand you can just drop in your last gen GFX card and get a more decent boost from a lighter weight card? Anyone here have some experience with DX12 multi-card setups yet?
 
wilkxus

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Lambourne said:
I built a new rig two months ago to use in my VR room. Went with:

- - - - - - - - - -< snip > - - - - - - - - - -Display Port Headaches.....
Had issues getting displayport to work in bios and low resolution screens (like the windows 7 install menu), DVI worked better. Once in windows, all is fine. Seems to be Z170 chipset related from what I could find.

- - - - - - - - - -< snip > - - - - - - - - - -NVME overkill.....
NVME seemed massive overkill for a gaming system, and not all BIOSes support booting from them, so I went with regular old SATA. I have no disc storage in this system at all, it's unbelievably quiet. Can barely tell it's on.

- - - - - - - - - -< snip > - - - - - - - - - - Old GTX 970 graphics card.
I still use my 3570K/GTX970 system for regular gaming and certainly for 1920x1080 that is still more than enough. CPU gains have been
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Re: Displayh Port Headaches....
What were the DP problems and fixes? I wanted to upgrade my tripple display setup to 4k a couple of years ago, but that got put on hold fast because of DP kernel support and Linux OSS drivers with AMD. Daisy chain support was not supported over DP and I believe that is the only way to get 3 4ks going unless new cards have 3 DP connectors?

Windows 7 was WORSE than Linux last time I fiddled with AMD multi-display with 3 monitors: two 24" 1920x1200 HDMI,DVI + one 2560x1440 DP. Trial and error resulted in CRASHES depending on the desktop config: now I use DVI, DVI and HDMI. I would love to hear experiences with THREE (3) x 4k Display Port configs!

Re NVME.....
At moment I use tmpfs ramdisks in Linux for portions of filesystem that I want FAST, for now my 32 GB is more than big enough. NVME does not appear to have a sold usecase for me so far unless gaming.... with a dog*hit application like VG used to be performance wise in Beta.
Faster boot for meh matters not with month long uptimes between occasional kernel updates.

Re old GFX card.....
Have you tried DX12 mutliple card setups for any games?
 
Lambourne

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The problems were getting anything to display at all at low resolution (like the post screen, windows install etc). Monitor won't even turn on since no signal. Tried two different monitors, tried both the integrated graphics and dedicated card, updated BIOS all no help. Was about to RMA the whole lot but found some posts that suggest trying DVI and that worked better. Seems to be chipset related from what I could find. Once in windows all is fine.

I don't use multiple monitors so can't help you there. Not tried multi GPU either, had some sour experiences with SLI in the past so I stick with a single high end card now.
 
Kiroy

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New build i'm gonna pull the trigger on as soon as I make a new desk. Any optimizations?

Corsair Obsidian Series Black 450D High Airflow Mid-Tower
Intel Boxed Core I7-6700K 4.00 GHz 8M Processor Cache 4 LGA
ASUS Z170-A ATX DDR4 Motherboards
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0, Whisper Silent Cooling Graphics Card
WD Blue 2TB Desktop Hard Disk Drive - 5400 RPM SATA 6 Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5 Inch
Samsung 850 EVO - 1TB - 2.5-Inch SATA III Internal SSD
EVGA SuperNOVA 650 G1, 80+ GOLD 650W
G.SKILL 16GB (2 x 8GB) Ripjaws V Series DDR4 PC4-25600 3200MHz
BenQ RL2455HM 24-Inch LED Console Gaming Monitor

hmm no amazon links one second
 
Joeboo

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Don't forget to buy a CPU cooler, as 6th gen "K" processors don't come with one in the box
 
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Falstaff

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Redid my computer a few months ago and got rid of my cd/dvd drive... only reason I want to replace it is because of the hole in the front of my tower now. I assume they are all the same (like pizza) but is there any specific I should be looking for?

Was just going to get something super cheap like this but for $20 more maybe I should just get blu-ray.

No idea why my Amazon link is showing up as nothing...

Amazon product ASIN B0033Z2BAQ
 
Adebisi

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It's been over 8 years since I did a full system upgrade. Here's what I'm currently using:
  • Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q6600 2.4 Ghz
  • 4 GB RAM
  • GTX 650

I'm looking for a great gaming system for under $2000 (Canadian schmeckles).

I don't entirely know what's the best value out there, so if you ask "why did you choose X?" my answer will be "i dunno ... what should I choose instead?"

Thoughts on this quick build?

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($453.70 @ Vuugo)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($38.25 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming 5 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($189.99 @ NCIX)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($85.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($289.55 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card ($617.28 @ shopRBC)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $1894.74

Remember ... CANADIAN DOLLARS. I don't get fat US deals here.

I hear a lot about i5 being perfectly fine for gaming, but I do like to do video editing and recording from time to time.

ALSOOOO.. .any thoughts on a a monitor? 27" and 144 hz.
 
Dyvim

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Dunno, but i would go double on that memory, esp if you are into video editing.
 
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