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Just a couple of things. The race and class list I listed was NOT complete or comprehensive in any way. Only what I could confirm at the time.

Another poster said that all my info was gleaned from news and the artwork. Well I specifically told both Convo and Draegan this BEFORE the art came out.

And the most important point. This info is incomplete and I've never claimed otherwise. There is still a ton we don't know. Storybricks, combat, PVP, how it all fits in a sandbox. This was just some info to hold us over until Friday. I'm not trying to be some forum messiah or talk big. Like I said, take my info for what it's worth to you.
 
Convo

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Yea ill totally back Flip on this. His info has been solid before a lot of the speculation/articles even hit. If anything people should be internetz! The guy
 
Quaid

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Got a link for how to make donations to EQnext junkies?

Edit: Nvm, just saw it at top of forum. Duh.
 
tad10

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Flipmode_sl said:
Just a couple of things. The race and class list I listed was NOT complete or comprehensive in any way. Only what I could confirm at the time.

Another poster said that all my info was gleaned from news and the artwork. Well I specifically told both Convo and Draegan this BEFORE the art came out.

And the most important point. This info is incomplete and I've never claimed otherwise. There is still a ton we don't know. Storybricks, combat, PVP, how it all fits in a sandbox. This was just some info to hold us over until Friday. I'm not trying to be some forum messiah or talk big. Like I said, take my info for what it's worth to you.
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I believe you're talking to a dev - as I stated earlier - you were correct about Kobolds. However, I think there's a lot of unknowns and I'm really skeptical of all the instancing claims. Housing, sure - there's some logic to it. But the instanced PvP seems a straight up WoW clone and not sandboxy in the slightest. Anyway, we'll see.
 
Quaid

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Draegan man, you've gotta do something about the donation interface. It's super ghetto.
 
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tad10_sl said:
I believe you're talking to a dev - as I stated earlier - you were correct about Kobolds. However, I think there's a lot of unknowns and I'm really skeptical of all the instancing claims. Housing, sure - there's some logic to it. But the instanced PvP seems a straight up WoW clone and not sandboxy in the slightest. Anyway, we'll see.
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I said player made battlegrounds were instanced. Who knows what SOE will do with their own stuff. Basically the open world is for their own content that they're making. All the stuff players can create will be instanced. I hope they offer uninstanced housing plots but we also know geography is limited in the game so housing will have to be phased or instanced.
 
tad10

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Flipmode_sl said:
I said player made battlegrounds were instanced. Who knows what SOE will do with their own stuff. Basically the open world is for their own content that they're making. All the stuff players can create will be instanced. I hope they offer uninstanced housing plots but we also know geography is limited in the game so housing will have to be phased or instanced.
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Got it. Okay, I'd buy a vowel and:

(1) in-world guild plots but instanced player housing.
(2) in-world EVEish PvP for unobtanium on Odus but instanced player created battlegrounds.
(3) Player created content = LDON replacement

I'll rate that as plausible.
 
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I hope to high heaven they drop the instanced battle grounds plans. Way too many other games have that already. Open world pvp is what they need. How can they mess this up? Does this game even know what it wants to be?
 
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What am I missing? Why don't you guys see that there will probably be full blown pvp servers with world pvp and the instance stuff will probably be skirmish type shit like Cinge mentioned? I'm not sure what I'm missing here because its just so damn logical to me..
 
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Convo_sl said:
What am I missing? Why don't you guys see that there will probably be full blown pvp servers with world pvp and the instance stuff will probably be skirmish type shit like Cinge mentioned? I'm not sure what I'm missing here because its just so damn logical to me..
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What you are missing is that there has been zero "leaks" of pvp servers yet there is leaks of instanced BG's. Now seeing as it is speculation at best, I hope there is a lot of open world pvp.
 
tad10

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Convo_sl said:
What am I missing? Why don't you guys see that there will probably be full blown pvp servers with world pvp and the instance stuff will probably be skirmish type shit like Cinge mentioned? I'm not sure what I'm missing here because its just so damn logical to me..
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I'm okay with no pvp (EQ1) or with eveish pvp. But instanced battlegrounds are so.... meh and not-EQ. Not sure if it can be explained better than that. I have flunklesnarken's reaction to the idea of instanced battlegrounds.

I could elaborate and jabber on about immersion and roleplaying and a living world as opposed to a game, but I'll settle for meh.
 
Quaid

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The mere fact that instanced housing exists points to the likelihood of having only one server (see: EVE, TESO).

One server means no special ruleset servers.

With regards to non consensual PVP, they have said 'we do not make bad design decisions'.

One of the stated goals of EQnext is having many ways to feel powerful/awesome/accomplished.

Thus, there will almost certainly be some kind of mass scale world PVP in designated areas/circumstances.

Unless they make two mega servers, one with open world PVP and one without. Unfortunately, I just don't see it happening. But, we shall see.
 
Malakriss

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Quaid_sl said:
The mere fact that instanced housing exists points to the likelihood of having only one server (see: EVE, TESO).
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What? Which ass did you pull this conclusion from? FF14 has (will have) instanced housing and isn't one server.
 
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Quaid_sl said:
The mere fact that instanced housing exists points to the likelihood of having only one server (see: EVE, TESO).
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EQ2 had instanced housing and separate servers, so I'm not sue why you're jumping to that conclusion based on that feature.
 
tad10

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Quaid_sl said:
The mere fact that instanced housing exists points to the likelihood of having only one server (see: EVE, TESO).
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The non-instanced content wants to "talk" with you behind the chemical sheds.

Mega-servers aren't possible given that there is supposedly a bunch of non-instanced dungeons but yes servers could be very large. Also PS4 and PC would have to be on separate servers.
 
Cinge

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Quaid_sl said:
The mere fact that instanced housing exists points to the likelihood of having only one server (see: EVE, TESO).
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How did you make that jump?

Non-instanced housing is ok, but you need large tracks of nothingness to support it, if your game has any kind of population. Thus why most housing goes instanced to not have to build your world like that and also prevents more load going world servers.
 
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