The posted this video few days ago.
Some on the boards here made it or linked it.
Hitler sums up my feelings as well as many on having No Trinty as well as having GW2 dungeons it was fucking terrible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEttbac3HVU
EQ Never
- Thread starter Convo
- Start date
-
Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Some on the boards here made it or linked it.
Hitler sums up my feelings as well as many on having No Trinty as well as having GW2 dungeons it was fucking terrible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEttbac3HVU
Making dungeons/classes all an aoe spam dps fuck fest with some healing potions being chugged down is much much worse.
I'll take waiting on the cleric to come back from a smoke any day over that.
Big Flex
Fitness Fascist
- 4,314
- 3,166
Didn't their multiclassing solve this? Your healer leaves? I don't have to get my Alt (if that's even possible) and get him through all the respawned mobs to where my group is. I could have just changed my skillset and now im the healer role but i dont mind because I can level up any character class I want while being the healer. Same thing can happen, Oh you need DPS? Okay I'll spec accordingly but level up my healer class or crowed control class.
fuck no, EQ2 was not an EQ game. that game sucked ass, much like this one will. for some reason, they've convinced themselves that no one liked playing the original EQ, so they're going to do everything they can to make sure they alienate their loyal fans even more.
Convo
Ahn'Qiraj Raider
- 8,768
- 617
In fairness we don't know it will play out like that. They were clear that the demo was made with more AE for demo purposes.
Teekey
Mr. Poopybutthole
- 3,644
- -6,335
Eh, this board is an echo chamber for Hardcore EverQuest players.
From what I've seen on other forums that aren't dominated by really oldschool MMO players, the reception is pretty positive overall.
Convo
Ahn'Qiraj Raider
- 8,768
- 617
What boards? I'm being serious..I'd like to check them out. The fact that SoE is making a statement on the matter shows there are enough people upset.
Onoes
Trakanon Raider
- 1,460
- 1,225
So, is there a good "wiki" type page of what we know so far? Every time I check this thread it's moved hundreds of posts, and other than a couple 2 minute video's and the little I've gathered of "there is no holy trin" stuff, I know nothing. Friends are excited, but so far all I know is "It's an mmo with minecraft features".
I'm guessing there is a great resource out on the web I just haven't found yet going into all the actual in depth info we have.... anyone have a link to that?
I'm guessing there is a great resource out on the web I just haven't found yet going into all the actual in depth info we have.... anyone have a link to that?
100% agreed. They could "turn is around" and not go that way at all.
I'm just going by their decision to have 14 minutes of this as not a good sign to give them the benefit of the doubt on using good judgement
Erronius
<WoW Guild Officer>
- 17,234
- 44,570
Thankfully it's still so early, I hope that they get away from whatever they were hinting at with the "small raids" talk. With the direction they are going I'd like to see less restrictive or exclusionary "raid" design. If it's more free-form for rallying cries but something silly like rigid 24 man raids I am going to /facepalm something fierce. IMHO they should just allow people to bring as many chucklefucks as they want; either they zerg (less chance of loot per person, making some assumptions) or they run like a lot of guilds did back when EQ1 raids were 72 but a lot of guilds ran 30-40. When EQ1 changed their raid balance so that you needed fuller raids that caused a lot of heartache (many guilds were forced to recruit when they didn't want to otherwise) and I lay the blame for that directly at SOE's feet; when WOW cut raid sizes in half I saw quite a few guilds assplode or the self-imagined wannabe hardcores in a guild started trying to cut any of the low-hanging fruit in their own guild so that they could guarantee a raid spot for themselves (and I lay the blame for that directly at Blizzard's feet).
Strict raid limits are just bullshit, and if EQ:N is going to be even half as sandboxy as they claim they will be it's going to run against the grain. It will be bizarre to see a studio create a new MMO that is revolutionary on several fronts, and then just take raiding as it is currently and jam it into their core design like an unlubed penis into a dry asshole. It'll be like Lyrical hosting a sleepover, the lights are out and he's running through the house naked after taking RHW - pray he doesn't trip.
Also, we may get lucky on alternative char models; non-Chinese Ogre concept art:
Strict raid limits are just bullshit, and if EQ:N is going to be even half as sandboxy as they claim they will be it's going to run against the grain. It will be bizarre to see a studio create a new MMO that is revolutionary on several fronts, and then just take raiding as it is currently and jam it into their core design like an unlubed penis into a dry asshole. It'll be like Lyrical hosting a sleepover, the lights are out and he's running through the house naked after taking RHW - pray he doesn't trip.
Also, we may get lucky on alternative char models; non-Chinese Ogre concept art:
bixxby
Molten Core Raider
- 2,750
- 47
What's not to like about it? You should already know any new game is going to be a pile of disappointment, at least this one adds something interesting in breaking shit. It's not like that everyone would be sucking their dicks over it if they remade Everquest with just new graphics. They would say it's a money grab piece of shit etc etc. Game looks cool.
Vaclav
Bronze Baronet of the Realm
- 12,650
- 877
Plenty of nonhardcore titles have hardcore elements - entry level of the game won't be - that's the absolute he's referencing. Christ, look at any console title since 2000 or so and there's a casual base game with hardcore options - esp once trophies/achieves came in - and class progression will require them, mind you.
Jesus you blind haters are retarded - its miles away from any potential to really evaluate it, period. If you think you know absolutely you're wrong - either pro or con.
Valderen
Space Pirate
- 4,546
- 2,772
I think they are making the same mistake they made with EQ2, and that's calling the game EQ. EQ2 was not a bad game at release, not as bad as it was reported anyways. It was a pretty bad sequel to EQ though, and I've always believe that he negative feedback that the game got from being a bad sequel totally outweigh the fact that it was an interesting MMO on its own right.
I feel they're doing the same thing, they have a huge negative backlash for not being an EQ game...and that backlash will outweigh the fact that it might be a good MMO if it had a different name.
I feel they're doing the same thing, they have a huge negative backlash for not being an EQ game...and that backlash will outweigh the fact that it might be a good MMO if it had a different name.
Terial
Trakanon Raider
- 1,269
- 585
These 2 things right here is why i think we all really loved EQ and now they are gone, there was something about logging in and suddenly reading "WOOO Terial is on, get your ass here now we need you" As opposed to what EQN will be "Okay everyone who has Tank ability "Hold Agrro" switch now, then 10 of you get to monk abilities for DPS, and we will need 5 clerics... so, a few of you switch over" I can see the private tells now "oh crap, Bubba is going to be cleric this raid, we are all dead, he sucks as a cleric"
... It just does not make sense how they can consider this a good move???
Unless they are trying to prevent future gripes about "Class Balancing" as this has not come up once because in EQN, if you gripe about Class Balance, you'll just be told to go learn that classes skills.
There is a big difference between there will be no meaningful player heals - ala GW2, and there is no dedicated healer role. The question that needs to be answered is whether you can go into a difficult encounter with 5 pure dps classes and beat it every time, just by running around and dodging. If so, then there is no point in anything except the best dps for groups.
People asked this in the q&a but there was no solid answer except yes they were aware of it.
Multiclassing sounds fun IMO, I thought equipping disciple runes in shadowbane was cool. And the one thing I remember hearing in the class panel was a comment about the economy of skills and multiclassing. You might be able to acquire all the classes but they said something that hinted there will still be choices on which ones you decide to tier up and I don't expect you will be able to master them all.
All this said, the most important part of any MMORPG is the "carrot on a stick", what keeps you playing. One of the bad pieces of GW2 was having all you skills unlocked by your early levels, which was not the case in GW1.
People asked this in the q&a but there was no solid answer except yes they were aware of it.
Multiclassing sounds fun IMO, I thought equipping disciple runes in shadowbane was cool. And the one thing I remember hearing in the class panel was a comment about the economy of skills and multiclassing. You might be able to acquire all the classes but they said something that hinted there will still be choices on which ones you decide to tier up and I don't expect you will be able to master them all.
All this said, the most important part of any MMORPG is the "carrot on a stick", what keeps you playing. One of the bad pieces of GW2 was having all you skills unlocked by your early levels, which was not the case in GW1.
Lithose
Buzzfeed Editor
- 25,946
- 113,036
I wish I could rationally explain it, but I can't. I've only seen it, as I'm sure you have. I think there is a desire for something you put work into, to be able to be used whenever. So if I toss a ton of work into a tank, I don't really like an encounter that makes tanks useless. I've developed an identity with that character because of the work involved in making it. But at the same time, there are alt-happy people, who don't really care about really becoming a perfectionist with one role, but like being known for the person who can play anything--my wife is like that.
However, that might be a product of games where work=depth, too. So the reason we develop those identities is because games push us so deep into characters (More gear, more skills ect). Maybe a game that's built on being more fluid won't have it feel so bad when my "favorite" class isn't that great and I have to swap.
Then again, how many people tend to main one character in League of Legends? Or at most, 2-3? Even professionals, who can play everything, usually admit they enjoy or identify with one character or type better. So it's a complex thing, I really have no idea where it comes from--I do know it's sometimes a fine line to walk. Again though, hopefully in a game where it's "broad" or "horizontal" the need to attach identity to a certain class won't quite be there, if that makes sense.
Because, don't get me wrong, I love League, and I think a game like "pokemon/League" would be fun. But there are a lot of variables there that make me worry when we are talking about a persistent world.
Rombo
Lord Nagafen Raider
- 763
- 199
Ill offer you a beta access for 5k. Meet in the sandy parking lot outside vegas, midnight good for you?