Health Care Thread

Why are you so enamoured of something that was an obvious disaster even 6 years ago? I'm actually more amused than anything else. Although, disapointment in the Democrat machine is also very much on my mind.

Democrats didn't use to be so fucking full of ourselves. We were able to work with the other side. Unfortunately, you can say the same thing about Republicans. The modern political climate sucks and both sides are to blame.

Araysar_sl said:

So let me get this right, all of the mistakes and follies by contracted companies are none of their fault and are entirely the fault of the government which hired them.

Is this what you are saying?

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The buck stops... anywhere but at Obama's desk.

Araysar_sl said:

Yes or No.

All of the mistakes and follies by contracted companies are none of their fault and are entirely the fault of the government which hired them.

Is this what you are saying?

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It starts at the top. Competent leaders have competent people around them. And they hire competent people / organizations / companies to get the work done.

Obama is incompetent, always has been. He is incapabable of managing anything like the ACA successfully (1/6 th of the ecomomy as we have heard way too many times already) The only successful thing Obama has done is run a beauty pageant with him as the only one on stage. That doesn't prepare you for the real work of running a country or the ACA. His inexperience is why the ACA is a failure.

The best presidents are usually ex state govenors. That at least gives them some experience in real managment.

Araysar_sl said:

It probably happened right around the first 9 months of Obama's presidency.

When I first came into office, the head of the Senate Republicans said, 'my number one priority is making sure president Obama's a one-term president.' Now, after the election, either he will have succeeded in that goal or he will have failed at that goal."
- President Obama, interview on CBS' "60 Minutes," recorded on Sept. 12, 2012, and aired on Sept. 23
"It was no surprise, because the senator from Kentucky, who just spoke, announced at the beginning, four years ago, exactly what his strategy would be. He said, his number-one goal was to make sure that Barack Obama was a one-term president."
- Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), on the Senate floor, Sept. 21, 2012
"Ed Rendell, who has criticized the president (objecting, for example, to the Obama campaign's attack on private equity), also argues that Obama has been constrained by an unprecedented obduracy in his Republican opposition. 'I can't ever recall a newly elected president being faced with the leader of the other party's caucus saying "Our No. 1 priority is to make this president a one-term president,"' says Rendell, citing the remark made by Mitch McConnell, the Senate minority leader, that exemplified the fierce partisanship that has attended Obama's tenure. 'That McConnell would say that in the first nine months of Barack Obama's tenure is absolutely stunning, disgraceful, disgusting - you name the term.'"
- Peter J. Boyer, writing in Newsweek, Sept. 10, 2012

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Whining about your opposition doesn't make you a leader. As John Stewart once said (i'm paraphrasing), "George Bush never had a super majority and he got whatever the fuck he wanted".

Araysar_sl said:

Its hilarious. You'll sit here for 2 hours and chastize us for not giving you the answer you want (largely because we have no fucking idea what you are asking) and when its your turn to answer a yes or No question, we cant get that out of you.

I get it, you hate Obama. Like I said 5 hours ago:

You could have just said "Yea" and saved us some time and typing.

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None of your questions made any sense. Most were deflections from the real issue.

Reading you two go back and forth is like reading facebook, e-cards and all now!

Grim went full retard.

My take, opinion only, who is ultimately at fault currently for the website fiasco?
That would be the idiot who let it go live. That would be the government, I have not followed the issue that much since I live in MA, but the guys programming the site s should have said that it was not ready, it is the fault of all parties that it did not work though the ultimate authority would be the person or persons that let out go live as is.
The company programming the site should have adequately beta tested the site starting ~ six months ago and fixed the issues. It is not rocket science it is a web site. The database for registration should be essentially a cut and paste job. Name, SS, sex, age address, city, county state, marital status, # of kids, all their info, etc that is all basic stuff that even I could do. That they had problems with that initially to me means... Typical government contract work.

Hoss_sl said:

It was designed for 2.2:1 even though the actual ratio was more like 16:1?

You do realize that people are living longer, right?

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2.2:1 was adjusted for life expectancy - it was originally 2:1 when established.

And remember their takeaway is less than most are paying in. I've seen the math personally, have you?

(It was projected with expecting life expectancy to reach a 65 yr average originally- thus the didifference of 10%ish additionally note benefit age has risen as life expectancy has about 2/3 of the rate though)

Grim1 got trucked so hard in this thread.

Hoss_sl said:

SS is actually robbing me to pay your grandparents.

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Wow, you guys truly are sociopaths. Considering a tax to pay for the small stipend that elderly people receive to help them survive as being robbed while at the same time having no problems getting taxed to pay for another god damn carrier group that we don't need is insane and shows an alarming lack of basic human empathy. You truly are the embodiment of "fuck you I got mine". Bravo?

Sebudai_sl said:

Grim1 got trucked so hard in this thread.

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Thinking is hard when you have that much rage.

I'm usually pretty good at figuring out what people mean when they grunt. But I swear it's like he just read a chapter in some pop-psych book and wanted to use the word "deflect" as much as he possibly could. I think his underlying point is that Obama still hasn't shown his long-form Earth certificate or something. Who the fuck even knows. I don't think he had a point, he just wanted to yell and knew he'd get rickshawed if he called Obama a American Inventor.

Iannis, stop deflecting bro. Clearly you've got daddy issues in play here and idolize Obama as the Dad you never had since you can relate to Trayvon so well.