Health Care Thread

We must go backwards to go forwards!

BurnemWizfyre_sl said:

So you are trying to tell me that people with pre-existing conditions are going to be excluded from healthcare insurance in the future?

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ObamaCare is doomed to die. So yes.

It is possible to help those people but not under the banner of ObamaCare. That law is impossible to fix.

a_skeleton_03_sl said:

This.

I will debate the finer points of it and compare it to before but the bottom line is we don't know what is goint to happen. I am not a fan of some of it and I think it's too simplistic with it's mandatory EHB's with zero wiggle room but who knows maybe it won't affect anyone negatively.

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Exactly. Most everything is speculation at this point. Yes, people are losing insurance, but that is what people are focusing on instead of those people seeing what is available and getting new insurance.

I have no problem calling Obamacare shit. I'm just willing to be sure it is shit before doing so, rather than going into full meltdown before it really even takes effect.

Grim1_sl said:

ObamaCare is doomed to die. So yes.

It is possible to help those people but not under the banner of ObamaCare. That law is impossible to fix.

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Please explain why a law is going to fail and cease to exist and impossible to fix, are you trying to say things in the ACA are incapable of being amended?

Zhaun_sl said:

We must go backwards to go forwards!

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Sometimes, that is what happens in life. Our first tries fail more than not.

But even though ObamaCare is doomed to fail because the people who wrote the law and implemented it are morons, they still had the right idea. And the good part of that is that the Republicans will have to come up with something to accomplish many of ObamaCare's goals. They can laugh at us now, but to get any public support they will also have to adopt some of our demands.

So even though ObamaCare is doomed, we will eventually all be better off because of it. Obama did succeed in changing the discussion and the nature of what we expect from our insurers. His personal solution is a failure but the replacement for that failure will be much better than what we had before.

Grim1_sl said:

ObamaCare is doomed to die. So yes.

It is possible to help those people but not under the banner of ObamaCare. That law is impossible to fix.

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Stick to the insults, this is why we want you to explain yourself because every time you actually do, you expose exactly how fucking retarded and shallow your arguments are.

Zhaun_sl said:

Yes, people are losing insurance, but... etc

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When you fuck over a minority to the benefit of your favorite constituents it is always wrong and against everything this country stands for. Slavery would still be in force if your mindset was acceptable.

Grim1_sl said:

When you fuck over a minority to the benefit of your favorite constituents it is always wrong and against everything this country stands for. Slavery would still be in force if your mindset was acceptable.

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LOL

Trollface_sl said:

If a guy buy a health insurance right now, is he covered for maternity care?

Forget your heart disease example. Do you want to talk about overall cost of health care?

Women Should Pay More for Health Care | TIME.com

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Its a hugely flawed article because it presumes all visits are equally costly. Its as relevant to anything as poor people having basic appliances as a result.

Grim1_sl said:

ObamaCare is doomed to die. So yes.

It is possible to help those people but not under the banner of ObamaCare. That law is impossible to fix.

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Unemployment complaints after the 15th Amendment passed had similar doomcrying... Wonder how that turned out... Or how The New Deal with its doomcrying turned out... Or Medicare... Ad nauseum...

Change bad... Rabble... Rabble... I'm supposedly a democrat, yet I hate any change... Rabble.... Rabble... Fucking moron....

No its not - the handful of expensive women's care are dwarfed by men's health issues. Parkinson's and heart disease being the two biggest. I already covered that, which they skip over comparing. The only factual thing they do that isn't counterbalanced is go to the doc more often.

But they also have less costly visits on average.

Trollface_sl said:

please refer to the cost by age group as well. "Parkinson" have a chance of affecting both genders, so does heart disease.

there is zero chance of maternity care affecting single men whatsoever.

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I doubt they are getting ovarian cancer either, but something tells me unless your hanging out with fedor the women aren't getting testicular cancer.