Yeah we are all aware life sucks for some people. We are all aware that some people have an excuse for not putting any effort into life. Doesn't mean they don't have the same opportunity. It means they aren't even trying to seize that opportunity.
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Khane
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"Everyone has equal opportunity"
"That's not true but why do you think that?"
"Because of this and this"
"Ok and what about this and this?"
"So everyone is stuck with no way out and everyone should get a handout. Right Khane?"
"No... where did I say that, your original statement is untrue, not everyone has equal opportunity"
"Stop telling me to check my privelege"
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Eh when my mom got divorced there were a few years she worked as a school bus driver while she went back to school and we had to live with my grandparents.
When I was in college after I left my parents I worked and paid my tuition and lived in a $300/mo student apartment and drove my girlfriend (now wife's) car.
But to cut to the chase, we were never really in any danger, my grandparents were well off and I could have gone back with my parents anytime. So I wouldn't say I've ever really lived in poverty.
Fifey you in particular you told us in another thread that you were horrible in school and never even thought about going to college and work in a manual labor trade, right?
So would you say you had the opportunity to do well in school (same as I did) and you squandered that by not doing well?
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No, the check your privilege part comes in when you realize that there's nothing you can do for most of those people, that it's not your fault, and yet still we should 'recognize' that they didn't have the same opportunity as us. Like, what the fuck am I supposed to do with that other than feel guilty? Oh wait, that was the point.
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I was asking him what it even meant, and then asked him if he would act the way he's acting right now out in the real world. Because if yes, he'd probably get a lot of blank stares and strange looks. And the real reason you asked me how much I made was because you thought I was a bottom feeder who was crying for help and how unfair the world is and wanted to call me out on it.
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Nobody in the real world would tell me to understand my privilege, so it's a non-question.
It's like asking what you'd do if someone like IRB got in your face and screamed you were racist at the top of his lungs all day. That doesn't happen? Surprise, surprise...
I lived in poverty until about 10 and then maybe lower middle class until I graduated though we didn't live like it we had a business that was running well but all our money was tied up in it. I then joined the military and got married at 19 and had twins and lived on the edge of poverty but above it while I put her through a bachelor's degree. Really broke free after that and have been on an upward climb since. I took a major hit when we decided to risk a move to Germany and sold the house and the market hadn't bounced back and nobody was buying a $500k house in our area, short sold it for $430k. Took another hit with the cancer and 9 months of no pay for me with no money from disability or the VA. Bounced back and we moved from CA to NC to get even better quality of life.
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I did NOT think you were a bottom feeder, I thought you were about $100-150k as a single man which is absolutely great income. Remember YOU brought up our income first and I said I highly doubt your claim.
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Well for me I did well in school up until about 5th grade when my dad stopped working and became a full time addict and the problems that came with it did I stop caring about school.
Which is why I can see the direct correlation to poverty/parental issues in the devolopment years and expected outcome as an adult.
Luckily I had the first 10 years of my life be normal and that helped lay the groundwork for me to be productive but if I ended up getting arrested or whatever during those years, I'd be having a difficult time getting a job.
I don't know what to do about all this, I'm just not saying it doesn't exist.
None of us would say terrible circumstances don't exist or don't play a huge role. It's just that you have the opportunity to rise above it.
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Cad you're turning into a buffoon and you don't even realize it. You're becoming the opposite side of the same coin of a minority of the vocal morons you despise. You spend too much time in an echo chamber of hatred and now you're even employing the same tactics you despise them for employing. Accusing people of being "one of them" and using bullshit terminology like "check your privelege" just to shut people up. As if anyone outside of a small subset of forums here and at places like reddit would even recognize as a thing to be afraid of being associated with. You're starting to believe that SJWs are a gigantic problem for the future of America and letting that shit leak from the threads it should be contained in and into your everyday speech. Including accusing people who say normal, everyday innocuous things like "Hey man, some people have a harder time, you don't empathize at all with that?" of aiming to shut down free speech and castrate men. What happened in this thread was a completely normal dialogue and even rather tame for this forum.
So go ahead and keep saying stupid shit like "Did you just tell me to check my privilege". Imbecile.
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Never said that
Never said that
Never said that either
I can't help it that you (supposedly) independently came up with the idea of telling people to check their privilege and think you ought to be excused from the implications of saying that. It was stupid when the first blue hair said it however many years ago and it was stupid today when you said it. I don't give a fuck if you never had that thought before today. Still stupid. Still going to be called out.
And if coming up with a bunch of stuff I didn't say to try to defend dumb shit you said and make yourself seem less idiotic is your new method, continue to give married people advice in the grown up forum I guess because you don't have the chops for this bro. Maybe next you can tell us how to parent too.
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The terminology itself is associated with that movement and nothing else. If you used it in any context anywhere people weren't familiar with that movement they'd look at you like you had 10 heads and you'd have to explain to them where it came from and what you think it means. It exists only in your narrow little world and you hate it so fucking much you're trying to attach it to shit that has absolutely no association with it. So when you use it there's only one thing it applies to... that movement.
You've done this with me in several threads lately. Even using the term SJW. It's ridiculous. Go home gamer girl.
You've done this with me in several threads lately. Even using the term SJW. It's ridiculous. Go home gamer girl.
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You think nobody except blue-hairs has come up with the idea of shaming people for their success in life? Seriously?
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"Check your privilege".
And nobody shamed you. Stop whining. First the "Stop being mean to alcoholics because you'll hurt their feelings and they won't talk to us anymore" and now this? Maybe the blue hairs really did get ya.
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So, what was your end game of saying "not everyone has the same opportunities in life. I have no fixes or anything, I just think we all should recognize." ? Whats the... point?
And gee go figure in a thread about asking for help with your problems perhaps we shouldn't personally attack the posters. What a radical and novel idea.
Perhaps you are misreading me here and think I'm an idealogue - I'm not. I'm a 100% pragmatist. My problem with you telling us to check our privilege isn't that we aren't privileged. It's what the fuck do you want me to do about it? Give me solutions. Don't come to me with your sob story unless you have a call to action that works. In the Marriage thread I don't think it's constructive to attack people because the purpose of that thread is advice - you think the thread works if people feel attacked when they ask for advice? Even if they are genuinely shitty people. It won't. I like things that work. You aren't contributing things that work. Start fucking contributing.
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And nobody told you to check your privilege. And I don't know how many times you need to be told or how many times you need to re-read the very posts you quoted before you realize that.
And gee go figure a thread about asking for help with your problems where you participate in even harsher lambasting about far more non-destructive problems.
It was said that everyone has equal opportunity. Something you even disagreed with in the end. And I said "That's not true" and formed an argument around why I think that.
Nobody shamed you. Shut the fuck up about how you were somehow wronged by my argument.
And gee go figure a thread about asking for help with your problems where you participate in even harsher lambasting about far more non-destructive problems.
It was said that everyone has equal opportunity. Something you even disagreed with in the end. And I said "That's not true" and formed an argument around why I think that.
Nobody shamed you. Shut the fuck up about how you were somehow wronged by my argument.