NBA 2016-17 Season Thread - Knicks in 6

Another important stat* not being mentioned here, Jordan did it with less HGH help.

Brahma said:

Jordan didn't make a "decision" and pussy out to join the Celtics/Detroit when he needed to get over the hump.

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Granted. LeBron didn't do that either. He never lost to the Heat in the playoffs.

Durant? Dude lost to the Warriors in the WCF then joined them.

Weaksauce.

Proof of LeBron abusing HGH and roids or...

What is obnoxious is the hate LeBron gets no matter what he does.

3 and 4. Should be 4 and 3 imo.

Gaige said:

What is obnoxious is the hate LeBron gets no matter what he does.

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Then stop comparing him to Jordan. There is Jordan, then there is everybody else. Lebron and Koby closed the gap, but there is still a gap.

My "hate" comes from the whining really. My god, he acts like a baby when he doesn't get his expected superstar call.

All that being said. He is still the best player on the planet. Curry passed him last year briefly, but he took that title back with ease. Jordan's era. No one even came close to approaching Jordan. MAYBE Olajuwon when Jordan was smoking crack those couple years he was out the league...

When LeBron retires he will in every statistic outside of scoring titles and probably rings, be a better player than Jordan. Everything outside of that isn't factual it's opinion. The stats say LeBron is the better player in almost every measurable way.

zzeris said:

Yep and he played 3 years of college ball which LBJ never sniffed. Jordan dealt with being on a shitty team and finally getting over the hump and dominating. Lebron ran to a team with two other all-stars and was the second and younger power team formed after Boston. Shit, the guy is on a loaded as fuck team now. The complaints are that other teams aren't supposed to do that too! How dare them make it hard for Mr 3-4.

I'm not saying LJB isn't near the top but the top has one king and he isn't LBJ. I can't even imagine Jordan in this era of easy foul calls and shitty defense.

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Everyone played college back then. That's why its hard to compare eras. Anyway Jordan dealt with being on a shitty team until they got Pippen who ended up probably the second best player of the 90s era. That's dumb luck. LeBron floundered on shitty teams as well and never got his Pippen so he left to play with a close friend via free agency. Through the draft his home team got better and he went back, again in free agency.

If the Cavs are stacked what are the Warriors? The Cavs are two stars and roleplayers who LeBron makes better. The Warriors have two legit superstars, if not 3.

Leaving in free agency is what people do in this era. It started with Boston and if the KD going directly to the superstar 73 win team WHO BEAT HIM is any indication it probably won't stop. You know why? It's stupid not to do it. Russel Westbrook didn't and other than the triple double record what does he have to show for loyalty? A first round flame out.

I don't care if other teams do it, obviously. I care about the almost universal pass that KD got for not only doing the same thing, but doing it in a way more pussy way.

Also Brahma, your comment about Jordan is EXACTLY why what LeBron has done and is doing is even more impressive. Like you said no one was even close to his level back then, except Pippen.

LeBron is playing against and beating teams every bit as good as those Bulls, if record or stats is any indication.

What he did last year would've been like the Jazz beating that 72 win Bulls team in the Finals.

Gaige said:

When LeBron retires he will in every statistic outside of scoring titles and probably rings, be a better player than Jordan. Everything outside of that isn't factual it's opinion. The stats say LeBron is the better player in almost every measurable way.

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When Manning retired, almost every stat was better than Montana's. Who was the better QB? Sometimes you just know who is just better man. Stats be damned.

Brahma said:

Then stop comparing him to Jordan. There is Jordan, then there is everybody else. Lebron and Koby closed the gap, but there is still a gap.

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lol

Alex said:

lol

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May your balls be dipped in honey, then whacked with a stick infested with bullet ants!

Brahma said:

When Manning retired, almost every stat was better than Montana's. Who was the better QB? Sometimes you just know who is just better man. Stats be damned.

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If you're going to ignore stats then I don't feel like any discussion about who is better than who is valid because at that point its emotional and too opinionated. Which is fine, but /shrug.

I'd say Brady is GOAT btw.

Gaige said:

If you're going to ignore stats then I don't feel like any discussion about who is better than who is valid because at that point its emotional and too opinionated. Which is fine, but /shrug.

I'd say Brady is GOAT btw.

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I will ask. Who was better. Manning or Montana?

Manning is better in every measurable way except rings.

zzeris said:

What we are stating is that stats don't matter when you go straight from high school to the NBA. Sure, it's a fucking accomplishment but he'll have 6-7 years on Jordan when he retires? He will also have far, FAR, FAR! better support than Jordan did. You make me laugh with the Pippen talk. He was probably top 5 as in #5. Kevin Love is better than any of the role players on any Jordan team. Guy was a rock star before he came to LBJs team. LBJ has been on stacked teams his entire career since he left Cleveland the first time. Big reason he's been to so many finals. He knows that too. Who pushes harder than LBJ to load up every year? He knows the truth. Warriors are going to make him 3-5.

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That's silly. So Garnett's stats don't count? Do one and done player's stats count or not? Is 3 years enough because that's what Jordan played or are we going for the entire 4 year collegiate career?

What about guys who didn't take 2 years off to play baseball, retire for 3 years and then come out of retirement:? Do their stats not count either because they played more games than Jordan?

FAR FAR better support on LeBron's final teams is a fucking ridiculous joke right? His 07 team was trash. The Heat were good two years, decent one year and not good at all the last year. Wade was always hurt. The Cavs are good but they're molded to fit around LeBron, consisting of mostly veteran roleplayers. Is Thompson better than Rodman? Is Irving better than Pippen? Is Korver better than Kerr? Stop being insane.

Pippen was the legitimate second best player in the ENTIRE LEAGUE during that era. You realize he took the Bulls, minus Jordan to a game 7 against the eventual East champs right? LeBron left Cleveland (LeBron who, according to you always had the better supporting cast) and they fucking won like 20 games 4 years in a row. He left Miami and they barely made the playoffs. Meanwhile the teams he is on are looking to go to 7 straight Finals.

Warriors 100% should make him 3-5. I mean he did almost single handedly beat them year before last so maybe LeBron is just that good. If they lose again, with that loaded dual MVP superteam, it'd be even more embarrassing than getting 3-1'd last year. I hope to God they find a way to not shit the bed again, because if LeBron and the Cavs beat GSW again, then there is 100% no way ever that anyone could argue against him being the best player to ever play. Not without looking even more stupid than they do now. A lot of my argument hinges on Jordan being the best player on the best team playing as the favorite vs LeBron being the best player on teams that were almost never favored. So the fact that LeBron isn't undefeated in the Finals is because, especially the last two years, he might as well be playing this era's fucking Bulls team.

The lack of appreciation Pippen gets is almost as bad as the hate LeBron gets.

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