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Cad

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It doesn't matter if they put the dead kid on a float and had a parade, it's still a dead kid as a result of IDF shelling. Saying that they arranged the bodies for a photo doesn't change that.
There was another link on the previous page showing that the kid probably wasn't even dead. They had her playing dead. The three guys had blood and drag marks and blood splatter (violent death) the little girl just had blood smeared all over her. I don't know if they found a picture of her sitting up later or not but there were random people carrying her around in various photos.
 

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There was another link on the previous page showing that the kid probably wasn't even dead. They had her playing dead. The three guys had blood and drag marks and blood splatter (violent death) the little girl just had blood smeared all over her. I don't know if they found a picture of her sitting up later or not but there were random people carrying her around in various photos.
Clearly no children were hurt. Only terrorists. The benevolent state of Israel would never allow children to be hurt right?
 

Cinge

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Clearly no children were hurt. Only terrorists. The benevolent state of Israel would never allow children to be hurt right?
Who called it benevolent or said any of the other crap? Funny you ignore all of of the other post and go straight to this one with that comment. I think PR spin has captured Arakkis in it's web.
 

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It's telling that arakkis not only dodged the more well researched and thought out description of the incident but he also created a straw man from a much more dubious statement and then attacked it.
 

Hoss

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Fuck it, they either kill the kids now or kill them in 5 years when they start firing the rockets themselves. They're already doing more than should be expected to avoid killing the future terrorists.
 

iannis

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Why doesn't Israel just steamroll them again? I mean, it'd be over before anyone could really do anything about it right? Are they still trying to claim the moral high ground or have we said 'DONT U DARE LULZ' or something? I don't follow enough of that part of the world to be on the up and up as to why they keep taking shit from Gaza.
Well, I mean, really think about it. Unless you mean "kill every living thing in gaza larger that a rabbit" then they steamroll in easily and... then what? Try to administrate a hostile population while fighting an insurgency while also fighting hostile western opinion while also fighting non-western foreign involvement within the conquered territory while also fighting domestic opinion while also suffering significant loss of life in the military which makes the entire clusterfuck possible in the first place?

Why would they do that. If they ever do, it's because they've finally snapped and given up.
 

iannis

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I mean Americacando that shit. Turns out it's a bad idea, but we can do it. Russia and China probably could also. But that's about it. For everyone else the notion is just suicide.

They kinda did it in Lebanon. Stayed longer than they meant to, but the whole thrust was just a sortie to cripple capacity and then GTFO. Which was the entire problem. They're fighting a defensive war. That's how they have to fight it.

They can't fight wars like America can. America has a notion that you stay and rebuild in your own image. That is a somewhat uniquely American perception of war.
 

Arakkis

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It's telling that arakkis not only dodged the more well researched and thought out description of the incident but he also created a straw man from a much more dubious statement and then attacked it.
"Well researched"

Some guy in a blog posting screencaps is hardly what I would describe as well researched. Especially when using phrases like "Pallywood". Didn't we learn that trusting some internet guy's examination of photographic evidence was a bad idea with the Boston bombing Reddit fiasco? There was an acknowledged incident of the IDF shooting a school confirmed by most major news outlets. Then the spin machine comes out and starts saying things like the IDF shot "near" the school and talk about magical antipersonnel weapons that only kill exactly the people that need killing.

My FB friend has been posting links from Israeli newspapers and websites all week in an attempt to justify this operation as anything but a one sided steamroll. I thought that most people on this site were savvy enough to be able to look at several different biased news outlets and come out with the truth. I guess everyone is susceptible to confirmation bias.
 

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"Well researched"

Some guy in a blog posting screencaps is hardly what I would describe as well researched. Especially when using phrases like "Pallywood". Didn't we learn that trusting some internet guy's examination of photographic evidence was a bad idea with the Boston bombing Reddit fiasco? There was an acknowledged incident of the IDF shooting a school confirmed by most major news outlets. Then the spin machine comes out and starts saying things like the IDF shot "near" the school and talk about magical antipersonnel weapons that only kill exactly the people that need killing.

My FB friend has been posting links from Israeli newspapers and websites all week in an attempt to justify this operation as anything but a one sided steamroll. I thought that most people on this site were savvy enough to be able to look at several different biased news outlets and come out with the truth. I guess everyone is susceptible to confirmation bias.
Who here says it's not one sided?

Look, Arakkis, you really can't just parachute in with a statement as dumb and useless as:
Arakkis_sl said:
Clearly no children were hurt. Only terrorists. The benevolent state of Israel would never allow children to be hurt right?
and then expect to have enough credibility to get on a soap box and preach level-headed and unbiased inspection of the situation from all angles.
 

Arakkis

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Who here says it's not one sided?

Look, Arakkis, you really can't just parachute in with a statement as dumb and useless as:


and then expect to have enough credibility to get on a soap box and preach level-headed and unbiased inspection of the situation from all angles.
I think my comment reflected the validity and general quality of Cad's conclusions based on one guy's blog.
 

Frenzied Wombat

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I think my comment reflected the validity and general quality of Cad's conclusions based on one guy's blog.
So why not discredit the content through fact instead of just dismissing the source? Every media outlet that has been covering this conflict is biased to one side or the other. The pictures/explanations are fairly hard to refute, and this isn't the first "pallywood" incident by a long shot.
 

Arakkis

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So why not discredit the content through fact instead of just dismissing the source? Every media outlet that has been covering this conflict is biased to one side or the other. The pictures/explanations are fairly hard to refute, and this isn't the first "pallywood" incident by a long shot.
It's a BLOG man. Have there really been no news articles from major media outlets linked in this thread that have described the use of munitions against hospitals and UN schools used as refugee shelters? That's not spin, those are war crimes. Also what Cad said was not even what the blog showed. It said one of the three guys (brown shirt) wasn't dead because he sat up. The blog claimed the kid wasn't dead because her hand and mouth moved. Post death muscle contractions can cause that as well as just someone in the crowd bumping the body. There, discredit through fact.
 

Lithose

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Then the spin machine comes out and starts saying things like the IDF shot "near" the school and talk about magical antipersonnel weapons that only kill exactly the people that need killing.
Everymajornewsoutlethas said thesamething. Let me pull the relevant section for you.

(RT)
At the time of the strike, witnesses reporteddozens of people including children gathered around the gate trading with street vendors, when a missilestruck some 8-10 meters from the gate. Witnesses also claim that the missile was fired from one of the IDF's unmanned drones.

(Guardian)
The missile struck the groundeight to 10 metresfrom the open gates. Witnesses at the scene less than an hour after the explosion claimed it had been fired from one of the many unmanned Israeli drones in the air above Rafah.

(Telegraph)
Witnesses to Sunday's incident said a missile that appeared to be a rockethit an area justoutsidethe gatesof the Rafah Preparatory A Boys School where children were queuing to buy sweets and biscuits from stalls.

As I said in my post; the U.S. weapon, which you call "magical", was developed for use in urban centers, and has a "safe" distance of about 10 meters. In this case, the motorcycle was driving around the school (If you believe the IDF, they speed toward schools to take cover in the crowds--but other sources say they were just driving by it to another destination). There were stands set up IN FRONT of the school; and the bike was about 8 meters (25ish feet) away when the missile hit. While the "magical" missile certainly does have a very small kill radius; 8 meters is just not enough distance to be safe. A few kids were hit with shrapnel; at least one (Not the girl) was hit in the chest and died from a wound near his heart.

Nothing about those statements excuses the IDF's mistake; however, it's obviously a little more complex over there than you are willing to believe. (Also, I'm not defending the blog; the guy makes some...dubious..leaps by noting minor things like "zomg the girl's mouth is open! she is alive") But there are plenty of major news stations that report the same thing.


Anyway, we were discussing this incident (Because it received actual condemnation from the U.S.). But from what I can tell, there have been 6 incidents around schools/aid centers. Of them, only one actually struck the school itself (And there is a lot of debate over if people were there, meh. I believe there were--the IDF spin machine is working like crazy though.)...The most deadly was actually from a tank shell that hit on a streetoutsideof a school, but then the shrapnel flew through the window, and the wall, into where 2-3 families were living and killed ten people. That incident, imo, was a lot worse than this one that drew "worldwide" condemnation. (But there were few comments on it because it wasn't clear cut, due to Hamas launching rockets in the area and at first we suspected it might have actually been Hamas that had a misfire--so everyone stayed quiet, except for a complaint from the U.N.)
 

Araxen

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I've been doing my friday night drinking and you know what if those dumbasses want to keep lobbing rockets during a cease fire fuck them. Fucking dumbasses. They have no leg to stand on. I feel bad for the people for the people who can't leave Gaza over the douchery over there.
 

Cinge

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For a second I thought that said truTV, where you get to watch "World's dumbest criminals 29834" and wipeout.
 

Hoss

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Everymajornewsoutlethas said thesamething. Let me pull the relevant section for you.
Every major news media outlet also declared Al Gore the winner of the 2000 election. Are you sure every major news media outlet isn't relying on the same 2 or 3 'witnesses' again?