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Kirun

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Is this a game that can be enjoyed and bypass all pvp?
100%. All the "PvP" world bosses also have non-PvP versions that spawn. PvP just means you get "more" bosses/day.

There are "open world" dungeons that have really great soilent drops(think gold from WoW, silver from Lost Ark, etc.) and random gear drops, but you're limited to how much bonus loot you can get out of them/day. At night, those flip over to PvP-enabled. A guild can wipe out everyone inside and effectively make the dungeon "theirs" for the night cycle, since it locks you from entering once it turns night. But a night cycle is 1 hour, day cycle is 4 hours.

The whole idea behind the "open world dungeons" versus your typical instance dungeons is really cool and they both offer different things.
 

Springbok

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This is a pretty fun game, though combat leaves a bit to be desired. The world though is pretty good, dungeons are fine, bosses, fine, pvx is fun. Good base game.

If anyone is picking up free tomorrow though I hope you've spent hours researching exactly what class/build you want to play, because this is the most punishing, locked in mmo I've ever fucking seen. Want to switch from GS/SS to Wand/SS? Fuck you! You've wasted all your books leveling GS skills. Want to completely switch both roles? Ha! Fuck you! All the books and points only come in #'s from the MSQ which you used to pump your original build.

"Make an alt". Great! Leveling is really fast here so nbd right? Well, did you stupidly buy the BP on your original class? LOL! Buy it again bitch. Buy the leveling express deal for more leveling materials? LOL fuck you! Nothing is shared by account. It's fucking awful - what if you decide you want to go ranged dps as it's more fun but started as a healer? You're fucked. You technically can switch weapons/builds, but by that point the power descrepancy is enormous. Even if you save "some of your mats", you're far better off pumping the og class and getting skills purple.
 
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Kirun

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This is a pretty fun game, though combat leaves a bit to be desired. The world though is pretty good, dungeons are fine, bosses, fine, pvx is fun. Good base game.

If anyone is picking up free tomorrow though I hope you've spent hours researching exactly what class/build you want to play, because this is the most punishing, locked in mmo I've ever fucking seen. Want to switch from GS/SS to Wand/SS? Fuck you! You've wasted all your books leveling GS skills. Want to completely switch both roles? Ha! Fuck you! All the books and points only come in #'s from the MSQ which you used to pump your original build.

"Make an alt". Great! Leveling is really fast here so nbd right? Well, did you stupidly buy the BP on your original class? LOL! Buy it again bitch. Buy the leveling express deal for more leveling materials? LOL fuck you! Nothing is shared by account. It's fucking awful - what if you decide you want to go ranged dps as it's more fun but started as a healer? You're fucked. You technically can switch weapons/builds, but by that point the power descrepancy is enormous. Even if you save "some of your mats", you're far better off pumping the og class and getting skills purple.
I've seen this complaint a lot and I don't really get it.

What are people expecting? What other MMO can you level to cap as a Paladin, decide you don't like it, and then instantly swap to a Ranger, then a Warrior, then a Wizard, etc.?

The reality is that you have to roll an "alt" (which is literally how almost EVERY MMO works) so that you have access to all the mats they give you while leveling, or you have to slowly just grind out daily/weekly/etc. books and use them on the new weapon you want to "swap" to. But, you keep all of your old progress on the other weapon's passive traits, active traits, etc. It's literally the FF14 job system.

Whiners gonna whine, I guess..
 

Cinge

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You can transfer skill exp I think, there are coupons for it.

No clue about weapon mastery stuff though, seems mostly from dailies(contracts).

And if you level up one weapon, can you transfer the exp to another if you really did want to switch? Obviously if you would never transfer down a grade, as that is a big waste of mats.
Otherwise I assume you just have to farm all the gemstones and such again. Or farm parchment to make more spell books.
 

Xevy

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So right now the Infinity Gate is fucked up because the bosses have some sort of min damage mitigation (????) that makes it so fast hitting, small attacks do literally 0, yes ZERO, damage. My crossbow/bow combo can't do shit because it's just getting like 50% reduced overall and it's complete horseshit. Meanwhile my guildmates with 2hand sword and wand/sword are #1 on the leaderboards breezing through it. It's really fucked. I tried looking up on google the exact debuff "Gate's Mana" but it doesn't even show up in a fucking google search except for some patch notes that don't explain what it does. Really sucks.
 

Blueweed

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You can transfer skill exp I think, there are coupons for it.

No clue about weapon mastery stuff though, seems mostly from dailies(contracts).

And if you level up one weapon, can you transfer the exp to another if you really did want to switch? Obviously if you would never transfer down a grade, as that is a big waste of mats.
Otherwise I assume you just have to farm all the gemstones and such again. Or farm parchment to make more spell books.
you can only transfer once and that weapon you transfer the exp to cannot do so anymore
 

Qhue

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Holy Crap... even the intro was too 'kawaii!!!' for my liking.
 
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swayze22

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It's Korean right? But that did seem like final fantasy dropped in briefly after the more brutal raw traditional fantasy battle scenes at openning.

I only played for a bit and went in completely blind but my initial takeaway was "pretty fun", seems like it could be OK for a while but will depend on who you are playing with for the long haul if its truly Guild PvP at high end.

Honestly, lots of "systems" on top of systems in this game that they have borrowed from others over time, appears to check a lot of boxes and appears to be deep but still has that eastern feel and the layers of systems and currencies have me somewhat skeptical with the f2p/p2w aspect (i'm too old for this shit).There were TONs of other characters around which was cool and seemed to run pretty well with ~100+ others in same proximity. Combat for me early felt slightly disjointed but I might simply be bad or was my weapon choices, was running dagger/bow (infiltrator). Ongoing events, good graphics/world feel, some quests that seem reasonable, active-ish type of combat, the grappling hook & morphs are unique, will be interested to see how the PvE game turns into PvP at the high end.

At worst not a bad looking world to fish in :)
 

zombiewizardhawk

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Doing the Urstella Fields event this morning and someone at one of the stones somehow turned in 714 stardust... the next highest anywhere was like 330. Makes me think there's already some cheats out there for this game.
 

Blueweed

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i started out as bow and wand thinking I wanted to get dungeon groups easy but had lots of regrets on dps and farming. but so far its been a blast, the wand has got spreadable aoe curse dmg that is similiar to wow shadow priest making dungeon farming really good coupled with the best heals in game.

but so far very lousy in pvp madness
 

Mahes

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I am enjoying this game...some.

There are aspects of it that I like, but I can already see that without a real guild(One where people actually talk and not just use), I will pretty much stop playing after a couple of weeks. I think it was a mistake to allow players to just get stuff in a guild. It creates a system where guilds of 70 are actually a group of friends just inviting players to rank the guild. Guilds do not act like guilds unless built from the ground up.

I am actually not having much luck with the grouping mechanic, as much as I thought I would as a healer. Apparently there are a lot of them, as every dungeon wants DPS. Low level dungeons already have some ranking numbers attached for what players are looking for? I qualified for one.

I actually enjoyed New World more than this game at this point of play. It was much easier to understand and did not penalize for making the wrong choice nearly as hard. I actually think that will be the thing that kills this game.
 

Kirun

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I actually think that will be the thing that kills this game.
What will "kill" this game is that for better or worse, WoW has turned the genre into a lobby simulator.

Being in a guild (especially one that is large, active, does raids, PvP, open world dungeons, etc.) is a massive advantage over a solo player. On top of this, most of the level 50 dungeon mechanics are somewhat difficult, especially for your average player. And this is only T1 content. T2 dungeons get even harder and the "challenge" mode versions add even more/new mechanics.

I mean, you can still "progress" on weekly/daily content as a solo player collecting your weekly mission rewards and such, but it's going to be slow treading compared to somebody with an active guild and/or static group.

I find it very interesting that when a game finally puts the MASSIVELY and MULTIPLAYER back into the genre, players reject it, despite all the boomers claiming they want a return to the "good 'ole days".
 

ronne

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Y'all know this is NCsoft right?

Don't get too attached to this thing, cause the asian P2W cash store is coming. Sooner than you think.
 
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Kirun

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Y'all know this is NCsoft right?

Don't get too attached to this thing, cause the asian P2W cash store is coming. Sooner than you think.
It's P2W already bro. ALL MMOs are. You either accept it for what it is or you leave the genre entirely.
 

Tide27

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I cant really put my hand on it, but I just dont like this game at all. I dont play enough to worry about the P2W arguement, nor have I made it to the pvp portion of the game.

Im not sure if its the movement, the 3-4 diff languages in chat, the useless chat window, or the combat that I dont like...or if its a combination of all 3-4.

This is probably the first mmo Ive played that I didnt at least get a week or 2 of enjoyment out of, but at about 5 hrs in...its about enough for me.

Hope others enjoy it though...we sure need some new mmos to play.
 

Sneaky

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Nice, something between earlier today and now changed and all my settings got reset, plus the games goes through the "first start setup" process every time.