War with Syria

assad must be laughing his ass off now. he gets to cut off the US balls while still masssacring the shit out of the rebels with impunity.

Maester Chuk_sl said:

assad must be laughing his ass off now. he gets to cut off the US balls while still masssacring the shit out of the rebels with impunity.

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Well, to be fair.. they are massacring his people right back. Its pretty brutal over there. Im not sure Assad is laughing his ass off. Im pretty sure his asshole has been tight enough to crimp pipe for the last couple years.

You don't think Putin made a deal with Assad to sell and ship more (and maybe new) heavy weapons (or some other type of support) in exchange for the chemical ones, with the bonus of making the US look even shittier in the world's eyes, while Putin looks like a hero? Would be win-win

Or Syria just ignores the deal after delaying for 3 months. Which is far more likely to me.

I dont think Putin has to "make a deal" with Assad. Putin holds all the cards. If Assad becomes too much of a fuckstick, he just trades his UN veto for a sweet pipeline deal.

Putin comes out of this looking like a peacemaker and increases Russia's standing far more by averting war and getting Chemical weapons off the table than they do by covering up for a tyrant committing genocide. He wants global deals, international credibility and a diminished US role that Russia can fill. He gets all of that with getting the Sarin from Assad.

Fanaskin, that is a pretty dishonest article or at least the way you presented it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/wo...yria.html?_r=0

The panel's new report tracks the investigations the panel conducted over three months, ending in mid-July. It is dated Aug. 16, five days before a chemical weapons attack on a suburb of the Syrian capital, Damascus, that prompted threats of punitive military strikes by the United States and France.

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Not good.

BTW, continuing on the peace deal.. Here is a good quote from Roger Ailes from about 1 year ago.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins...le-syria-if-he

"Putin is angry. He thinks the United States doesn't take him seriously or treat Russia as a major player. Okay, fine, that's how he feels. If I were president, I'd get in a room with him and say, 'Look at the slaughter going on in Syria. You can stop it. Do it, and I'll see to it that you can get all the credit. I'll tell the world it was you who saved the innocent children of Syria from slaughter. You'll be an international hero. You'll go down in history.'

Hell, Putin would go to bed thinking, 'That's not a bad offer.' There will still be plenty of other issues I'd have with Russia. But instead of looking for one huge deal that settles everything, you take a piece of the problem and solve it. Give an incentive for good behavior. Show the other guy his self-interest. Everybody has an ego. Everybody needs dignity. And what does it cost? You get what you want; you give up nothing.

What does it cost? You get what you want; you give up nothing.
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lol, but lets all watch the Fox talking heads do blackflips.

I only wish George W. Bush was offered this kind of deal back when we were gearing up to invade Iraq...

Some of these remarks regarding Putin and Russia coming out as looking like geniuses is the easy argument to make at face value, but it really isnt true when its all said and done. Russia is simply doing what they can in this situation, and I applaud them for it. Russia wasnt going to fucking stop Obama and his Destroyers and Cruisers and Aircraft carrier strike groups from launching a fucking cruise missile into Syria. Their only real options were hoping the United States stood pat after they vetoed in the UN, or try to bail out Syria via a diplomatic solution.

This is more about Russia than it is about Syria and its sad with all the citizens that have died there. Syria is one of Russia's most important allies, not only in the region but anywhere. Assad maintaining control of that country is of the upmost importance to the Russian government. So obviously they arent going to just watch as their buddy gets shitted on by their rival.

With that said, the United States comes out of this looking like the strongest country if not the most reasonable. They flexed their military muscle and dominoes fell accordingly. Just the threat of using military assets has pretty much forced a diplomatic solution. How can you just sweep that under the rug and compliment Russia at the same time like they were the ones who had it all figured out. Why didnt they propose that the minute this controversy started? Thats right because their Russia.

This ends up only being a diplomatic solution in favor of the US if Syria actually gives up its weapons. I seriously doubt that is going to happen, as Syria really has no reason to do so now that the threat of military force is over. Russia already wins at this point by being allowed to act as a counterweight to US power.

How is this anything other than a huge win for the US and the president? We've been trying to get Assad to give up his chemical weapons for over a year now. Fromhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/11/wo...pagewanted=all:

NYT Article_sl said:

The discussion about Syria?s unconventional arms first came up between Mr. Obama and Mr. Putin when they met on the sidelines of a Group of 20 summit meeting in Los Cabos, Mexico, in June 2012, according to accounts of several administration officials who requested anonymity to describe internal and diplomatic conversations. Their meeting was dominated by their dispute over Syria and the civil war, but according to aides, Mr. Obama mentioned the issue of securing Syria?s stockpiles of chemical weapons.

The president brought the idea up more notionally than concretely, and it went nowhere, aides said, because the Russians were highly resistant to any intrusion in Syria?s internal affairs. A few months later, Mr. Obama raised the stakes on the matter when he declared in August 2012 that Mr. Assad should not cross the ?red line? of using such weapons.

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The only reason Assad and Putin are agreeing to this now is because Obama has everyone convinced that he is willing to risk his presidency over a military strike. He took a huge risk and it paid off.

It's not a huge win because he looks like an idiot. His Secretary of State looks like an idiot. Sure, you can spike the football back home and hope no one was really paying attention but on the world stage Obama looked like a warmonger chump.

Arbitrary_sl said:

It's not a huge win because he looks like an idiot. His Secretary of State looks like an idiot. Sure, you can spike the football back home and hope no one was really paying attention but on the world stage Obama looked like a warmonger chump.

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The president gets what he wanted in the first place without a single shot fired by the US, and he looks like an idiot? Is this Fox News?

It'd probably be seen as more of a win for the US and the president if it didn't look like the administration just randomly bumblefucked its way to this outcome. In no way does it seem like this outcome was "the plan."

Gopher Yerguns_sl said:

The president gets what he wanted in the first place without a single shot fired by the US, and he looks like an idiot? Is this Fox News?

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Have you not been paying attention to this up until today? The goal was regime change.

Arbitrary_sl said:

Have you not been paying attention to this up until today? The goal was regime change.

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Are you sure about that?http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...trike/2709717/.

Jay Carney_sl said:

I want to make clear that the options that we are considering are not about regime change

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Biased is clearly at play here.

For fucks sake, we threatened REAL military intervention and people reacted. Russia basically was like "lol dont mind my little friend here, he is clearly stressed out and would like nothing more than to please you by letting ME hold his most dangerous weapons!".

Russia might look cool to some idiots, but all they did was bail Syria out of getting striked with surgical precision, and with total impunity. Who the fuck is going to do something about us firing a cruise missile into Syria? Thats right, no one.