Weight Loss Thread
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Lanx
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Oh god more keto bullshit.
Yes it works.
Is it necessary, no.
Is it optimal, no.
Yes it works.
Is it necessary, no.
Is it optimal, no.
http://caloriesproper.com/chris-gard...ain/#more-6227
Dandai
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The driveby hate posts in this thread crack me up. You people act like these eating behaviors are so deeply personally insulting that you must save people from being hurt the same way you were hurt.
If it doesn't matter, then why did you even bother posting a multi paragraph explanation and links? Or do you expect people to continue reading after you say it doesn't matter?
Edit: My philosophy is that if someone is simply trying to lose weight (like Brahma) and finds a method that works for them, throwing a bunch of research articles, polarizing opinions, and anecdotal bullshit at them is at best going to cause confusion and at worst cause them to switch gears and potentially cause them to give up/relapse. Remember that this is the weight loss thread, not the "the way I lost weight is a lot less stupid than your way" thread.
If it doesn't matter, then why did you even bother posting a multi paragraph explanation and links? Or do you expect people to continue reading after you say it doesn't matter?
Edit: My philosophy is that if someone is simply trying to lose weight (like Brahma) and finds a method that works for them, throwing a bunch of research articles, polarizing opinions, and anecdotal bullshit at them is at best going to cause confusion and at worst cause them to switch gears and potentially cause them to give up/relapse. Remember that this is the weight loss thread, not the "the way I lost weight is a lot less stupid than your way" thread.
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If you're referring to me then I've been posting in this thread for the last 3 years.
Shitty advice is shitty advice and deserves to be called out.
Dandai
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Yes, I'm referring to you, but unfortunately you're not alone in your irrational hate.
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how is telling people that carbs don't make you fat, or that keto isn't necessary to lose weight, irrational hate? I just posted two scientific studies to back up my opinion, how is that irrational?
I only replied because after not checking this thread for a few days I saw another keto post for Mkpocec, the whole keto topic has been done 1000x in this thread already. We don't need the keto kultists to keep going about how carbs are evil.
There is no reason to be keto long term, if anything you're actually hindering your efforts by staying on keto as you get leaner:
"Insulin sensitive dieters lost more weight on a high carb diet than a low carb diet (10.4 vs 8.6 kg). Insulin resistant dieters lost more weight on low carb (9.6 vs 7.4 kg). Notably, of all four groups, the most weight was lost on a high carb diet (10.4 kg) despite low carbers consistently getting more protein."
Recommending keto is fine for inactive people, but recommending it for people who train is going to hinder them because they won't be able to train as hard as they did on carbs until they're fat adapted - which takes minimum of 3 weeks.
I only replied because after not checking this thread for a few days I saw another keto post for Mkpocec, the whole keto topic has been done 1000x in this thread already. We don't need the keto kultists to keep going about how carbs are evil.
There is no reason to be keto long term, if anything you're actually hindering your efforts by staying on keto as you get leaner:
"Insulin sensitive dieters lost more weight on a high carb diet than a low carb diet (10.4 vs 8.6 kg). Insulin resistant dieters lost more weight on low carb (9.6 vs 7.4 kg). Notably, of all four groups, the most weight was lost on a high carb diet (10.4 kg) despite low carbers consistently getting more protein."
Recommending keto is fine for inactive people, but recommending it for people who train is going to hinder them because they won't be able to train as hard as they did on carbs until they're fat adapted - which takes minimum of 3 weeks.
Itlan
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Ossoi, you realize you say the same shit every time right? I'm not a keto activist, but if Brahma has chosen that as his way to lose weight, shut the fuck up and support him or ignore his posts. Why is that so difficult?
No one even said anything about carbs and how "evil" they are. You have PTSD.'
Also guys I'm sick and basically only drinking tea and soup, so all my muscle will be gone in the next few days. Sad life.
No one even said anything about carbs and how "evil" they are. You have PTSD.'
Also guys I'm sick and basically only drinking tea and soup, so all my muscle will be gone in the next few days. Sad life.
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I wasn't replying to Brahma, I was replying to Mkopec as that was the first post I saw when I last checked this thread, specifically this part
And I was going to start my last post with "why don't we ban keto talk because it's been done to death and is too divisive".
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I assumed he meant that the FDA revised their food pyramid, but are still pushing low fat even with a ton of evidence that it is ineffective and the base is still carbs I think, which keto or not eating that many carbs is probably a bad idea. I didn't think he was specifically pushing keto.
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Hurm, my wife has done the Atkins/Southbeach thing and it worked for her. It's not the only way, but it works.
Myself I just dedicated myself to the "I have a shitty diet, i'm just going to eat a lot less of it" path and that's worked.(Calorie control, down 35# since the first of the year)
So I will file his choices under "whatever floats his particular boat and gets the job done".
Myself I just dedicated myself to the "I have a shitty diet, i'm just going to eat a lot less of it" path and that's worked.(Calorie control, down 35# since the first of the year)
So I will file his choices under "whatever floats his particular boat and gets the job done".
Rezz
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For Brahma: I would look up some sort of keto-cookbook or something (though I thought you were doing atkins, not keto) if you run into situations where you aren't sure if something fits whatever diet your adhering to. Or one of those lists of acceptable foods because keto is a more restrictive diet than most. I don't have the link on me but I vaguely remember chaos/et all in the cooking thread talking about keto diets and cooking/eating strats. I have no experience with it so I wouldn't be able to point you towards any specific one thinking it is better/worse than another, but the website they linked was repeated more than once. Though I would imagine that if you are on Atkins you should be near the end of the keto phase and just eating low-carb stuff if Khane's previous positions are correct, and the atkins diet is a little less restrictive than straight ketosis. I would venture into some Atkins sites if you plan on sticking with it, or dl the .pdf/buy the book.
Chaos/etc: Brahma's a big guy and lifts a lot, mkopec is neither and has stated lots of times that he's not physically active in that manner. It's why some folks here probably caution against keto. My only beef beyond it being long term just as effective as any other diet if adhered to properly (within reason. The Twinkie Diet is probably not very effective long term, for example) is that the effects of long term ketosis is under a lot of scrutiny and criticism from the medical community as a whole, including the ones that actually know a lot about nutrition, and the results of some people having a lot of feels data attached. My personal opinion is that it's all a wash and caloric control is the end all be all and putting yourself into major discomfort/lifestyle fugue to fit a diet template that may not work for you isn't the optimal path. Since the conversation is weight loss and not muscle/strength gain, I'll leave that opinion out, but really the biggest hurdle for any dieter is simply sticking to a diet that has you at net caloric loss over time. If keto is working for Brahma, stick with it would be my only advice. He can gauge how it effects his life better than any of us can, so unless he comes in and complains about specific problems, I don't know if he needs lectures unless he asks for them. In the end, sticking with the diet is more important than the content of said diet when it comes to general weight loss. The content may affect other parts of his life, but the weight loss comes from adherence and a long term caloric deficit.
Chaos/etc: Brahma's a big guy and lifts a lot, mkopec is neither and has stated lots of times that he's not physically active in that manner. It's why some folks here probably caution against keto. My only beef beyond it being long term just as effective as any other diet if adhered to properly (within reason. The Twinkie Diet is probably not very effective long term, for example) is that the effects of long term ketosis is under a lot of scrutiny and criticism from the medical community as a whole, including the ones that actually know a lot about nutrition, and the results of some people having a lot of feels data attached. My personal opinion is that it's all a wash and caloric control is the end all be all and putting yourself into major discomfort/lifestyle fugue to fit a diet template that may not work for you isn't the optimal path. Since the conversation is weight loss and not muscle/strength gain, I'll leave that opinion out, but really the biggest hurdle for any dieter is simply sticking to a diet that has you at net caloric loss over time. If keto is working for Brahma, stick with it would be my only advice. He can gauge how it effects his life better than any of us can, so unless he comes in and complains about specific problems, I don't know if he needs lectures unless he asks for them. In the end, sticking with the diet is more important than the content of said diet when it comes to general weight loss. The content may affect other parts of his life, but the weight loss comes from adherence and a long term caloric deficit.
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It all comes down to discipline and willpower, no matter what diet you do. If you dont have those you will never succeed. I ended up choosing keto because it allowed me not to count calories anymore. I hated counting every single thing I ate, the weighing, the measuring, going out to eat and estimating shit then worrying about how much off I was. Was that a fucking cup of rice of 3/4 cup? Is that 6oz of chicken or 8? Or 9? Fuck me. Keto was better for me because I no longer had to count shit other than the amount of carbs. The rest of it just took care of itself.
But Like I said before do what you want. And most of all do what works for you. Were all here just to help and push people along so we can all benefit from being lean, not fat asses and hopefully live a bit longer and happier.
But Like I said before do what you want. And most of all do what works for you. Were all here just to help and push people along so we can all benefit from being lean, not fat asses and hopefully live a bit longer and happier.
Brahma
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I'm doing Atkins, not keto. Look. This is working for me. I am not hungry. I have no cravings now. I see the weight coming off. Christ I am down 26 pounds in less than 7 weeks? Why change what is working? I DON'T want a diet that I can't maintain. This I can maintain because I am allowed to eat most foods I like.
Have I lost strength? Yes. So I can't bench 450 any more. I can still bench 405, and I FEEL so much better. Today at the gym, I looked in the mirror and noticed my chest is sticking out further than my gut!
Have I lost strength? Yes. So I can't bench 450 any more. I can still bench 405, and I FEEL so much better. Today at the gym, I looked in the mirror and noticed my chest is sticking out further than my gut!
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That website was ruled.me, The Master pointed it out. I've done a few recipes off there. I do the bacon egg cups for breakfast, easy to have a dozen in the fridge ready to go. I also have done the keto pancakes minus the artificial sweetener, is was a vehicle for other stuff, not great but I needed something to put peanut butter or carnitas on. I also did the lemon poppy seed muffins, minus the poppy seed. I really liked them. Lots of great stuff on that site.