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Eh I found this funny. Maybe. Maybe.

Which is gecko's point better no game then a bad game. Need pickle quote from Anchorman.

I don't think funding of this kickstarter equates to old school mmo desire, I think most publishers or outside investors if they have eyes on this kickstarter would think that. At the end of the day I'd rather no kickstarter had happened then the current bad kickstarter but since all we have is...

Okay I see your point. I don't know - maybe you're right even if it gets built there isn't enough subs to pay for a live team/cs + next expansion team. I hope not as that means I should just accept the end of interesting new MMOs and start playing on P99 or something.

I wish he'd taken it down on the 14th and took a mulligan as someone posted. Well maybe Draegen and co can run a kickstarter for their MMO, I'll throw in $10. Also I should go back and edit my "I think they'll make it" post on the 14th or so when they got 50k or whatever on the second day as...

No personal hate for the guy. Just for his business decisions. Any other business and he'd have been fired for EQ2 debacle or SWG or letting the number one MMO in 2001 go to number 4 or 5 by 2007 (or whenever it was).... But maybe he gets lucky with EQN and is back on top. Stopped clock is...

The problem is, if it doesn't get funded (or close to it) that is going to be interpreted the same way the Vanguard disaster was interpreted: not sufficient interest in an old school game (not that Pantheon is actually "old school" but whatever). So it's a catch-22 or maybe a catch-23 (that's...

You are probably right but I like to think that if the KS gets funded (or if not funded gets above 500k) but nothing happens beyond a pre-alpha that explodes, the fact that the KS got funded will inspire another more organized group to try this again but with organization and actual prep. I...

You're no fun buddy, that's too bad

I think you mean medicate - you're not following the Amod thread.

Yep, SWTOR is making money from FTP but that's the Star Wars nerds.

Yeah, but why stir up that hornet's nest and even mention it? Now I'll have to watch the whole video.

Look at the date: 2011. Edit: I'm sure all these posts are now headed to the Ut thread. -_-

Sure when they first switched. Not now.

This btw is a real concern. As more information is revealed it gets further away from the "More like EQ1" comment.

LOTRO - No update this year. Trion, AoC ,Etc. Yeah they're all doing really great. Closed studios, re structured into purely casual MMOs They all made a ton of money with the FTP switch but once they get over that initial rush the wad of money isn't the same. Give me a fucking break...

Lol. I never denied that I reported that some idiot pulled his pledges twice in fact I think I mentioned that I was going to report it to kickstarter in this thread somewhere. Had nothing to do with you - you will note that there is no mention of any names. But keep trolling and keep thinking...

Paying for Alpha is a result of FTP being a bullshit monetization scheme for MMOs. It works for games like LoL because they can always introduce new OP classes and cosmetic shit and you're drawing on a huge base (55 million??). Yeah Blizzard and EA made money from the FTP aspects of WoW and...

Hahahah. I could see Brad making Rangers a tank |-)

And lets face it - EQ style is easier to code and playtest. I'd like to see this game get made and simpler means more likely to get made. I guess I can deal with the MTG card abilities but am already cool on the chains for all the reasons presented by you guys here.

Agree completely on this (example of how to balance tanks Warrior best at Raid, Paladin best Tank in Group, SK best Solo Tank) but EQ healers needed help.

Assassin and Blademaster

Yeah, this is better. +1

This again? Smed was convinced that everything would be more profitable under a FTP model that's why he moved everything to FTP. So yes Smed would move to a FTP model even though VG was profitable under a Sub with no Dev model; and really enough of this topic before Tuco starts moving things...

Generally I'd agree but VG's healing classes w/ the DT mechanic was an improvement on the EQ Cleric.

Now you're cooking with gas.

I will say I prefer flat classes (no talent trees/specs) and set abilities myself. I'll also add that I think they are easier to execute and "balance" (wtf that means) as Mulligan has pointed out. But whatever - I'll roll with the combat doc if a game shows up eventually.

Why was Snare cast second? Was the mob beating on the enchanter? And where's the tank? And why isn't the Cleric healing?

But this does to me:

Had a LOTRO flashback reading that part for some reason.

That's what it sounds like. Colors of Magic associated with abilities, and you have to have that color available to use:

Brad said 5 or 6.

So it's MTG meets EQ. Okay.

Since we've gotten sidetracked back to your original post that's not what Smed said. AFAICT, Smed said VG was never profitable when it was his FTP that wasn't profitable (I think it might have been a "net loss" quote - same point applies). Whatever, I won't choad up this thread with this...

Remember that for 2009-2011 or so it had a small pop but had zero dev support and was only on one server. That is _not_ expensive. Sorry Gecko old chum but you are not doing the math. Running one server with zero dev support with about 1k subs will generate a minor profit and yes I realize...

You mean SSDs everywhere. Processors weren't the problem.

Yeah because Sony needed additional tax writeoffs given that the company lost money 2008 through 2011? But somehow when they're profitable in 2012 and maybe in 2013 they sunset the game that's supposed to be a tax writeoff? Couldn't be that Smed's FTP strategy was an abject failure.

I'm pretty sure I commented on the fact FTP was one of the things that killed the game - they were making more money sub based. And I lot more money in 2009 when there was an actual population. Having actually played VG from Beta 4 or so in 2006 through 2008 (and on/off from 2009 to 2012)...

Oh no question, the engine was crap. But combat mechanics in a static group dungeon exploring was awesome, despite the crap engine. Certainly helped when there were less people around - every time a person showed up even a "mile" away (or closer but behind a wall) so you couldn't actually see...

Check your proof buddy. Smed would have closed it down in 2008 if it was unprofitable.